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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ranes" data-source="post: 3333461" data-attributes="member: 4826">I am standing at the end of a fifty-foot-long corridor, next to a door that opens inwards to the corridor. I am next to the hinged side of the door. I'm standing there, because that side of the door is in shadow. It's in shadow because the corridor's nearest lit torch is thirty feet away. I'm trying to hide in that shadow.You materialise at the other end of the corridor and try to spot me. We make opposed checks. You win, as usual. Now I am in direct observation.Then a goblin opens the door. I get to make new hide checks against the goblin and you. Maybe the open door blocks line of sight to you. Maybe the open door deepens the shadow in which I'm standing.All right, that example is a little contrived. But perhaps I wasn't being clear enough when I presented the original scenario. When two or more observers attempt to spot me at the same time, I make one hide check. If one observer makes a check and then some time passes and another observer moves into the area. I get to make another check against both observers, because I have also been able to take a move action in that time and I've used it to try and hide. (I believe I gave the example of my toes being all that were visible when you succeeded at spotting me and I turned my feet, to try and hide them.)Just as an aside, I sometimes wonder why some cultures call that game Hide and Go Seek. Here in Britain we call it Hide and Seek. Verb and Verb. Why Verb and Verb Verb? Anyway...I think the contention here arises from a difference in the semantic use of the word hide. In our game of Verb and Verb Verb, you close your eyes and count to, say, six. In that time, I hide. I hide in the sense that we both understand the word in everyday use. I do not hide in the sense of testing the D&D skill. I do that only when you open your eyes and we make opposed checks.</blockquote>

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