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Can you "Take 20" to Hide?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3333481" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Trying to Take 20 on a Hide check is like trying to Take 20 on a Bluff check. It just doesn't work.</p><p></p><p>I think we're having a problem with the definition of penalty. For me, penalty is defined as a situation in which you cannot try again. There is a penalty for Disarming Traps, for example, the trap goes off. If the trap goes off, you cannot try again.</p><p></p><p>I see what you're saying Hypersmurf, but there is a flaw in your arguement. From what I understand, you are having an ally do a new spot check each time until he cannot see you. However, the problem is that each time the ally breaks line of sight and then reestablishes it makes for a new spot check. Granted, he could Take 20 on the spot check and if he can't see you, that means that you have a Hide of his spot check skill+1</p><p></p><p>Again, though, this is not taking 20. If my friend's total spot after taking 20 is, say, 21, then my hide score can be any score higher than that. If I have 16 ranks in Hide, I could still have only a 22 Hide score and still be hidden from my friend. However, that won't help me against the enemy with 22 ranks in spot.</p><p></p><p>There's no real way you can Take 20, even with persistent Hide checks. At best you can Take Hide (My friend's spot score+1).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 3333481, member: 22779"] Trying to Take 20 on a Hide check is like trying to Take 20 on a Bluff check. It just doesn't work. I think we're having a problem with the definition of penalty. For me, penalty is defined as a situation in which you cannot try again. There is a penalty for Disarming Traps, for example, the trap goes off. If the trap goes off, you cannot try again. I see what you're saying Hypersmurf, but there is a flaw in your arguement. From what I understand, you are having an ally do a new spot check each time until he cannot see you. However, the problem is that each time the ally breaks line of sight and then reestablishes it makes for a new spot check. Granted, he could Take 20 on the spot check and if he can't see you, that means that you have a Hide of his spot check skill+1 Again, though, this is not taking 20. If my friend's total spot after taking 20 is, say, 21, then my hide score can be any score higher than that. If I have 16 ranks in Hide, I could still have only a 22 Hide score and still be hidden from my friend. However, that won't help me against the enemy with 22 ranks in spot. There's no real way you can Take 20, even with persistent Hide checks. At best you can Take Hide (My friend's spot score+1). [/QUOTE]
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