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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3333650" data-attributes="member: 1656">THe process is that you fail repeatedly during the time it would take to accomplish the task twenty times, at the end of which your result is calculated as if you had rolled a 20.How many Hide checks did you make?&nbsp; In this case, one.&nbsp; Making that Hide check is what caused you to become hidden; it is also the Hide check that failed against this opponent.The Hide check you failed is the Hide check that caused you to become hidden.In which case, how can a Hide check ever fail?&nbsp; It is always successful to a lesser or greater extent; it can be successful to the extent of hiding you from creatures with a Spot result of 5, or to the extent of hiding you from creatures with a Spot result of 55.&nbsp; Since the check is always successful, there can be no penalty for failure.Not 'on the twentieth try', but 'at the end of a period twenty times longer than would be required to execute the skill once', yes.You don't succeed 'the first time', because Taking 20 takes 20 times as long as normal.&nbsp; The use of the skill is incomplete until that time is up.&nbsp; Anything that happens before that time is 'failing repeatedly'.I'm saying that as written, Take 20 means you fail repeatedly until eventually succeeding with a result calculated as though you had rolled a 20... even if you could normally succeed on a roll of 1.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3333650, member: 1656"] THe process is that you fail repeatedly during the time it would take to accomplish the task twenty times, at the end of which your result is calculated as if you had rolled a 20. How many Hide checks did you make? In this case, one. Making that Hide check is what caused you to become hidden; it is also the Hide check that failed against this opponent. The Hide check you failed is the Hide check that caused you to become hidden. In which case, how can a Hide check ever fail? It is always successful to a lesser or greater extent; it can be successful to the extent of hiding you from creatures with a Spot result of 5, or to the extent of hiding you from creatures with a Spot result of 55. Since the check is always successful, there can be no penalty for failure. Not 'on the twentieth try', but 'at the end of a period twenty times longer than would be required to execute the skill once', yes. You don't succeed 'the first time', because Taking 20 takes 20 times as long as normal. The use of the skill is incomplete until that time is up. Anything that happens before that time is 'failing repeatedly'. I'm saying that as written, Take 20 means you fail repeatedly until eventually succeeding with a result calculated as though you had rolled a 20... even if you could normally succeed on a roll of 1. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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