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<blockquote data-quote="airwalkrr" data-source="post: 3334517" data-attributes="member: 12460">Well, at least I understand what you were trying to say here. I think you could have worded it more precisely though because I still think your original wording is misleading.The point is that at one point, I was hidden. Whether I had to actually roll the check or not, I was hidden. I do not think there is any mechanical difference between rolling the check when you Hide versus when someone has a chance to Spot you unless you allow the player to know the result of the roll. I think in this case, the only reason the rules seem to lean towards making the roll when an observer has a chance to see you is that it eliminates the chance for you to retry a poor check; yet more evidence that you cannot, or at least are not supposed to be able to retry Hide checks normally.Anyway, if I try to hide, then someone enters the room, that condition is immediately thrown into question until we determine the result of the Spot check. Had I not been hiding, there would be no need for a Spot check. The observer would simply see me automatically.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="airwalkrr, post: 3334517, member: 12460"] Well, at least I understand what you were trying to say here. I think you could have worded it more precisely though because I still think your original wording is misleading. The point is that at one point, I was hidden. Whether I had to actually roll the check or not, I was hidden. I do not think there is any mechanical difference between rolling the check when you Hide versus when someone has a chance to Spot you unless you allow the player to know the result of the roll. I think in this case, the only reason the rules seem to lean towards making the roll when an observer has a chance to see you is that it eliminates the chance for you to retry a poor check; yet more evidence that you cannot, or at least are not supposed to be able to retry Hide checks normally. Anyway, if I try to hide, then someone enters the room, that condition is immediately thrown into question until we determine the result of the Spot check. Had I not been hiding, there would be no need for a Spot check. The observer would simply see me automatically. [/QUOTE]

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