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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dheran" data-source="post: 3337442" data-attributes="member: 49779">This debate has gone on long enough that I'm not going to attempt to reply to any of the previous posts.  Instead I'll start with my answer and try to justify it.I don't think you can take 20 for a Hide check.  The Hide vs. Spot opposed roll is dependent on the visual aspect presented in the direction of the person making the Spot attempt.  If you think you've got everything hidden, but you don't have complete cover/concealment (i.e., there's a reason for you to try to Hide), a viewer might Spot you from an angle you haven't adequately prepared for.  Even with a helper trying 20 times to Spot you for each 20 times you Hide (400 times the normal duration) you still won't cover all possible viewing situations.  (You'll get a pretty good circumstance bonus for all that preparation time, of course.)There is a penalty for a failed Hide check: you're seen.  There is absolutely no guarantee that you'll be seen if you don't Hide; enemies may happen to miss visiting any of the places from which your location can be viewed.  This is another good reason for not pre-rolling a Hide check.  It's a meaningless mechanic unless opposed by a Spot check.  Plus we really want to avoid the whole temporal stasis quagmire, where you're forced to remain unaltered in appearance for however long you need to wait, regardless of the heat buildup that's causing sweat to drip visibly off your brow and the over-full bladder that's making you squirm.</blockquote>

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