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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 2872402" data-attributes="member: 18701">My group was discussing taking 20 on Escape Artist yesterday. Now, the PHB says you can only retry 'squeezing through tight spaces', but everyone seems to say you can take 20 on any escape artist check. The problem we found with this is when it comes to binding with rope. If a pc can take 20 escaping the rope binds, then the pc would also take 20 on use rope skills when binding NPC's....wouldn't they want to make sure they bind them the best they can if they have the time to do it? So if the PC's would do that, so would the NPC's. That would give you a DC 30 for escaping ropes at the minimum....and no PC can make that check unless they have a huge dex & put lots of points into escape artist. Basically it takes the fun out of PC's escaping binds. It also takes the fun out of it when PC's take 20 binding up enemies.I just look at it as the entire time you spent escaping ropes....not just 6 seconds. So your 17 check means you spent 6 seconds trying and failed, you've spent 1 minute and still failed, you spent 2 days and still failed. The binds are just too hard to escape.</blockquote>