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<blockquote data-quote="Patlin" data-source="post: 3603203" data-attributes="member: 17264">I remember a similar situation in a game, though it was less crucial that the npc give up her saving throw.&nbsp; Giving up her touch AC, along with initiative was more to the point.&nbsp; It went something like this:NPC: &quot;I want you to go on a dangerous mission for me.&quot;PCs: &quot;We would, but we're a little worried about your motivations.&quot; (Subtext: In fact, we're pretty sure you're a vampire pretending to be a living person.)NPC: &quot;How can I convince you?&quot;Cleric PC: &quot;Well, I have a harmless spell that will tell us if our fears are justified.&nbsp; Would you mind if I cast it on you?&quot;NPC: Smugly confident she is protected from any divination magic our low level group can muster. &quot;Sure, go ahead.&quot;Cleric PC: Casts cure moderate wounds on the vampire, and asks the DM how it reacts.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Divinations aren't the only spells that can be informative.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patlin, post: 3603203, member: 17264"] I remember a similar situation in a game, though it was less crucial that the npc give up her saving throw. Giving up her touch AC, along with initiative was more to the point. It went something like this: NPC: "I want you to go on a dangerous mission for me." PCs: "We would, but we're a little worried about your motivations." (Subtext: In fact, we're pretty sure you're a vampire pretending to be a living person.) NPC: "How can I convince you?" Cleric PC: "Well, I have a harmless spell that will tell us if our fears are justified. Would you mind if I cast it on you?" NPC: [i]Smugly confident she is protected from any divination magic our low level group can muster.[/i] "Sure, go ahead." Cleric PC: Casts cure moderate wounds on the vampire, and asks the DM how it reacts. :) Divinations aren't the only spells that can be informative. [/QUOTE]

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