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<blockquote data-quote="Lamoni" data-source="post: 1341055" data-attributes="member: 12680"><p>I don't know why people always bring up spellcasters. I think that is quite different. And there is even something written about them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Casting a spell requires a lot of concentration... that is why it is stopped unless the caster makes a concentration check. Moving doesn't take much concentration. That is why PC's don't have to roll the dice to see if they can continue to move past more opponents even if they took damage from the first AoO. All you have to do is check two things. One, are you still alive? Two, are you still standing?</p><p></p><p>Standing up is a move action. Why not compare it to other move actions? Drinking a potion has come up. If you drink a potion, that doesn't require much thought to whether you can continue the action after the AoO. You need to check two things. One, are you still alive? Two, are you still holding the potion?</p><p></p><p>Therefore I argue that to stand up, you need to check two things. One, are you still alive? Two, are you still prone? Since a trip attempt will never cause you to be something other than prone, the only way an AoO can prevent an attempt to stand up is if they kill the person (or just drop their HP's to less than 1)</p><p></p><p>Again... don't say that the person went from prone to not-prone and then to prone. Unless they stood up before the AoO, they were always prone. I am sure a trip attempt would cause for a much more awkward standing up, but attacking someone while they move past you does the same thing. They probably take several extra steps as they get the wind knocked out of them as you bash them in the stomach.</p><p></p><p>I am still a little confused as to why people argue that it is not this way so vehemently since almost everyone is in agreement that it shouldn't be allowed. I have good news for you, by the rules it isn't allowed. In your own rules you can add a few states between prone and standing, then I would agree with you since the person would go from prone to not prone and then to prone again. Therefore another stand-up attempt would be required. However since they never leave the prone state, an additional stand-up attempt is not required. The first attempt does just fine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lamoni, post: 1341055, member: 12680"] I don't know why people always bring up spellcasters. I think that is quite different. And there is even something written about them. Casting a spell requires a lot of concentration... that is why it is stopped unless the caster makes a concentration check. Moving doesn't take much concentration. That is why PC's don't have to roll the dice to see if they can continue to move past more opponents even if they took damage from the first AoO. All you have to do is check two things. One, are you still alive? Two, are you still standing? Standing up is a move action. Why not compare it to other move actions? Drinking a potion has come up. If you drink a potion, that doesn't require much thought to whether you can continue the action after the AoO. You need to check two things. One, are you still alive? Two, are you still holding the potion? Therefore I argue that to stand up, you need to check two things. One, are you still alive? Two, are you still prone? Since a trip attempt will never cause you to be something other than prone, the only way an AoO can prevent an attempt to stand up is if they kill the person (or just drop their HP's to less than 1) Again... don't say that the person went from prone to not-prone and then to prone. Unless they stood up before the AoO, they were always prone. I am sure a trip attempt would cause for a much more awkward standing up, but attacking someone while they move past you does the same thing. They probably take several extra steps as they get the wind knocked out of them as you bash them in the stomach. I am still a little confused as to why people argue that it is not this way so vehemently since almost everyone is in agreement that it shouldn't be allowed. I have good news for you, by the rules it isn't allowed. In your own rules you can add a few states between prone and standing, then I would agree with you since the person would go from prone to not prone and then to prone again. Therefore another stand-up attempt would be required. However since they never leave the prone state, an additional stand-up attempt is not required. The first attempt does just fine. [/QUOTE]
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