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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Harzel" data-source="post: 7868045" data-attributes="member: 6857506">So pretending for the moment that we don't know about that tweet that I just posted, because there's no point in wasting a good argument  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ...So it seems to me the main point of disagreement here is not the reading of Booming Blade, but rather the reading of Twinned Spell.  In addition to the reading reflected in your "order of operations", I can think of two others, both of which seem to me to be more likely to be the intent of Twinned Spell, and one of which is highly attractive in that it makes all the uncertainties just vanish.  In particular, the phrase "target a second creature in range with the same spell" could (as alternatives to your take) mean one ofa) cast the spell in a way that it naturally targets two creatures, that is, essentially rewrite the spell as a spell that targets two creatures;b) treat each creature as having been targeted separately by the spell.I am skeptical of your take for several reasons.  First, it just feels wrong procedurally.  For instance, if I Twin, say, Ray of Frost, you would (I guess) have me make an attack roll against one target, and if I hit, roll damage and apply that damage to both creatures?  Or with, say, Dominate Person, if the first target fails its save, then both are charmed?Second, the language "target a second creature in range with the same spell" to me suggests symmetry, and your treatment is very asymmetric.  And finally, you treat the language "when you cast a spell ... you can [do x]" as implying a sequential procedure for Twinned Spell, whereas for a number of the Metamagics, the same language clearly means an effect that affects the spell when it is cast (e.g., Quickened, Subtle), and the notion of "affects the spell when cast" is at least consistent with the effect of all the other Metamagics.With respect to the two alternatives that I proposed, much hinges on what one reads into "same spell".  If you think that means the same instance/casting of the spell, then you'd probably be inclined toward (a).  But the trouble with (a) is that it seems like even though most spells probably extend to two targets in a fairly straightforward way, perhaps via the kind of gloss that I suggested a number of posts back, there's always the chance that questions arise. (b), OTOH, has no such problem - it is dead obvious what happens - but you have to be willing to understand "same spell" in a slightly more abstract way.Anyway, my 2 cp (for, I guess, the third time, so that's 6 cp).</blockquote>

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