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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5288598" data-attributes="member: 35909">Aside from being an epic feat, all it requires is Dex 25 and Slippery Mind class feature.  Thus, it's an option for Dragonwrought Kobolds long before epic. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />9th level.  8 levels in "not swordsage" count for half, so 4 +1 = 5.  You need Initiator level 5 to use 3rd level maneuvers and stances.  Also, your first stance in any adept class is required (check each of their descriptions) to be a 1st level stance.  You would need a second Swordsage level or the Martial Stance feat to get Assassin's Stance.  Still totally worth it, and in the meantime, if you do enter at 9 (a level you get a feat at), the Child of Shadow and Island of Blades Shadow Hand 1st level stances are also nice pick ups, so you can still get Shadow Blade at level 9 even though you don't have Assassin's Stance yet.I like to also try and fit in Adaptive Style feat at some point to recover/rearrange all readied maneuvers with a single turn, rather than the Swordsage's godawful maneuver recovery mechanic.  Chances are in many combats you'll want/need Distracting Ember and Cloak of Deception (ALWAYS get these, as a Rogue) more than once, and possibly Shadow Garrote, too.Full round action.  Otherwise, I agree completely.  Changeling's a great social rogue with an awesome racial substitution level at 1 (10 + Int skill points, and it gets the x4 multiplier!), and as you note, allows entry into Warshaper.If you do this, it's also only fair that you accept the partial base save rules, too.  That was you can't get a +2 from a good save class more than once (good saves give you +2 +1/2 class level normally).  The BAB one always helps or at least doesn't hurt you, the partial saves rule at best doesn't affect you, at worst nerfs your saves a bit.  So IMHO they should come as a package deal.</blockquote>

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