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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3400272" data-attributes="member: 1656">Don't forget the Power Attack feat text:"(Normally, you treat a double weapon as a one-handed weapon and a light weapon. If you choose to use a double weapon like a two-handed weapon, attacking with only one end of it in a round, you treat it as a two-handed weapon.)"Now, either there's an implicit "for the purpose of Power Attack" in there, or it's globally applicable.If it's restricted to Power Attack, then we treat a double weapon as a one-handed and light weapon for two purposes: Attack penalties associated with fighting with two weapons, and Power Attack.  For all other purposes, it is a two handed weapon.What other purposes are there?  +4 bonus to disarm.  +4 bonus to sunder.  1.5x Str bonus to damage with the primary end.  (The off end is still a two-handed weapon, which means 1.5x, but it's also an attack with your off-hand, which means .5x.  The DM will have to decide which takes priority.)If, on the other hand, it's globally applicable, then the primary end gets no bonus to sunder or disarm, and the normal Str bonus to damage; the off end takes a -4 penalty to sunder and disarm, unambiguously adds .5x Str bonus to damage, and can be used with finesse.  (Ordinarily a light weapon could be used in a grapple or while swallowed, but since it the off-end is only considered light when you're using both ends, and you can't use two weapons in a grapple, this won't work.)I don't think it's possible to read it so that the primary end only adds 1x Str bonus to damage and also the off-end cannot be used with finesse.  If you rule against finesse, it's a ruling for 1.5x Str bonus to damage.  If you rule against 1.5x Str bonus to damage, it's a ruling for finesse.Now, given that the Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting feat is essentially superior to a double weapon Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat in almost every way if one doesn't allow 1.5x Str bonus to damage (etc), it may be that ruling against Finesse is a more balanced way to go.  If a two-bladed sword adds 1.5x/.5x, while two longswords add 1x/.5x, there's still a reason to take the EWP feat...-Hyp.</blockquote>

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