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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7112646" data-attributes="member: 71699">One sense of getting lost is not knowing where you are so I agree with you that a Ranger must know where they are well enough to backtrack. Another sense of getting lost is to fail to make progress toward a destination. It is this latter sense that I wanted to clarify. I feel like if they do know the correct direction to their destination then they must be able to unerringly head in that direction. Otherwise the ability feels a bit weak. On the other hand, they won't always know the correct direction to go.I should clarify, I think a Ranger cannot fail a Wisdom (Survival) check to become lost. They can fail other Wisdom (Survival) checks, for example to forage.Really I was just going from the wording here. Per PHB 91 a Ranger's group "can't become lost" implying that there is a process (become) and a state (lost). Then DMG 112 explains the process and the state. You become lost by failing a Wisdom (Survival) check to navigate. So a Ranger's inability to become lost is equivalent to an inability to fail a Wisdom (Survival) check to navigate. Seeing as the can't fail such a check, there is no need for them to make one.I want to give the Ranger fair value for the ability.</blockquote>