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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7535030" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>No, we're not disagreeing "it shouldn't be better".</p><p></p><p>We're disagreeing with your basic premise, that you <strong>imply</strong> here. But let's take it step by step. </p><p></p><p>- a level 1 spell slot is a resource: Agreed.</p><p>- anything that requires a resource should be better than something that doesn't: I personally agree.</p><p></p><p>What you don't say, but obviously assert anyway, is:</p><p>- a level 1 spell slot (limited resource) is not better than a cantrip (unlimited resource): <strong>I disagree.</strong> </p><p></p><p>And so far I haven't seen you actually face up to this. </p><p></p><p>A level 1 spell slot can be used for much more than damage. This makes it very wobbly to claim cantrips are better than L1 slots. </p><p></p><p>For damage? Perhaps. But overall? Nope. </p><p></p><p>Are cantrips better than individual level 1 <strong>spells</strong>, then? Well, if you cast them in L1 slots, then again - maybe, if we only look at damage (which we shouldn't). But again, L1 spells can be cast in L2 (or L9) slots, so even that narrow case is again... wobbly.</p><p></p><p>Ergo: no change is needed, even before we consider the fallout of making a change.</p><p></p><p>All that's left of your sweeping argumentation is: level 1 spells that only do damage and cannot be upcast. Here I am willing to give you the point: yes they are worse than cantrips, and yes they are resource-constrained while cantrips are not. </p><p></p><p>My main rebuttal here, though, is simply: *shrug* </p><p></p><p>I don't recommend changing spells in general just to fix this tiny issue, especially since its self-correcting in actual play: players simply never use L1 slots to cast spells that deal less damage than their cantrips!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7535030, member: 12731"] No, we're not disagreeing "it shouldn't be better". We're disagreeing with your basic premise, that you [B]imply[/B] here. But let's take it step by step. - a level 1 spell slot is a resource: Agreed. - anything that requires a resource should be better than something that doesn't: I personally agree. What you don't say, but obviously assert anyway, is: - a level 1 spell slot (limited resource) is not better than a cantrip (unlimited resource): [B]I disagree.[/B] And so far I haven't seen you actually face up to this. A level 1 spell slot can be used for much more than damage. This makes it very wobbly to claim cantrips are better than L1 slots. For damage? Perhaps. But overall? Nope. Are cantrips better than individual level 1 [B]spells[/B], then? Well, if you cast them in L1 slots, then again - maybe, if we only look at damage (which we shouldn't). But again, L1 spells can be cast in L2 (or L9) slots, so even that narrow case is again... wobbly. Ergo: no change is needed, even before we consider the fallout of making a change. All that's left of your sweeping argumentation is: level 1 spells that only do damage and cannot be upcast. Here I am willing to give you the point: yes they are worse than cantrips, and yes they are resource-constrained while cantrips are not. My main rebuttal here, though, is simply: *shrug* I don't recommend changing spells in general just to fix this tiny issue, especially since its self-correcting in actual play: players simply never use L1 slots to cast spells that deal less damage than their cantrips! [/QUOTE]
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