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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7535579" data-attributes="member: 12731">Honestly, I think you are needlessly gaming the argument if you argue I am avoiding to state your argument. But nevermind:I strongly disagree "a level 1 spell cast from a level 1 spell slot is not better than a cantrip if you are at least a certain character level" for the reasons that you prefer to skip when trying to make this an issue of being misunderstood. A level 1 spell cast in a level 1 slot can very well be better, or at least different and therefore incomparable, than a cantrip, even if cast by a level 20 caster.That is why I don't agree with your basic premise - that this ought to be an open and shut case. No it is not, because the case is more complex than you're letting on.Then you claim the issue "isn't self correcting in actual play". I can't speak for your players of course, but I can say that in general I find the issue eminently self-correctable. Just don't cast the spells in the slots that make you dissatisfied compared to your cantrips - use the spells and the slots differently!Now, whatever you do, please do not claim I am not responding to the point you are making.</blockquote>