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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8238063" data-attributes="member: 93670">There are a few issues there & one of them is a red herring bordering on white room fallacy that gets thrown out as if it should get serious weight.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I'm assuming that the fighter has magic weapon because wotc has repeatedly told us not only that it should be generously provided as well as available at a low price. [spoiler="This can't be ignored"][ATTACH=full]135053[/ATTACH][/spoiler] WotC as gone out of their way to repeatedly point out that the goal to obtaining magic weapons is intended to be very low if present at all & GMs are encouraged to "be generous with magic weapons".  You need only look at the ALPG making +1 weapons & shields available like a level 5 door prize  while he first mention of a scroll being available is tier4 (level 17-20) to see that something is bonkers in the valuation wotc is using. Yes a caster can get a +1 wand at level 5 too & even with their damage counting as magical the whole time there is a much greater problem in the form of their nondamage (buff/debuff/control/etc) spells are pegged to a power level that assumes the martials are still doing half damage. Wotc has bent over backwards to make clear should be "generously" available at the piddling cost of a price tag trivially placed somewhere between a 400gp breastplate & 750gp halfplate or about 10 levels worth of spells scribed to a wizard's spellbook at most and as soon as the weapon users accumulate that lofty sum of coin they can shed their <a href="https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Weighted_Clothing" target="_blank">weighted clothing</a> to dramatic effect. There is no way to apply that to all of the spells pegged to the powerscale of a campaign with no magic weapons that goes against WotC's own advice to such an extreme degree. Even if you assume for the sake of argument that those buff/debuff/control/etc spells are properly pegged to a power scale where martials are assumed to have magic weapons there is still the fact that only the highlighted stuff appears in fights decked out like this[ATTACH=full]135058[/ATTACH] With all of that on the table "but it's magic damage" is little more than a distraction from a very real & pervasive problem deeply rooted in 5e. The secondary effects could maybe be justified by reduced damage alone, but when the martials get a +1 weapon the justification is rendered bonkers with the reduced bar that those cantrips & leveled spells are pegged to no longer exists & that is likely the case for the rest of the game while the caster will forever be dealing with magic resistance energy resistance energy immune & legendary resists</li> </ul><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Second is Agonizing eldritch blast.  That actually creates a huge problem for correcting the problems above are massively complicated by the fact that agonizing eldritch blast is a cantrip provided to a class with huge amounts of spell list overlap with those classes with normal cantrips. Any fix needs to target both groups differently & the GM is already on shaky favoritism footing because WotC makes it look like 5e is already deep in <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFuMpYTyRjw" target="_blank">this nonsense</a> with how many layers of safeguards they weave into the system to protect against it.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Third "a wand or a few scrolls"... Do you not know how those things work?</li> </ul>DMG139 explains it[spoiler="Sit down, it's a doozy"][ATTACH=full]135060[/ATTACH]Plus if you look up above wotc has made it clear that those thing should probably trail a +1 weapon by thirteen levels & not be available till tier4/level 17[/spoiler]As to wands, those have a very limited number of uses while rules for item decay & breakage do not even exist for campaigns where the GM wants them and wotc <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/177-spell-spotlight-fireball" target="_blank">"intentionally" created a second problem</a> if the gm decides to shrug & make those have even greater availability with more charges.</blockquote>

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