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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8240637" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>How many <em>weeks</em> do you estimate that it takes to teach an individual to "crush [a small globe] against an engraved brass plate"? I think you are overestimating the level of "training" needed for a magewright. Unlike forgotten realms, eberron has a public education system in khorvaire & likely similar to varying degrees on the other major continents. At times magewright has included lamplighter seamstress launderer & other very low skill positions. As to bombadiers & people wanting to operate the smaller normal staff sized variants mentioned... It's just not a credible claim to suggest that significant training would be required to teach the operator to "crush the breath of siberys against an engraved brass plate" while suggesting that feebleminded individual who needed extensive training to basically crush an egg is going to be someone you can trust around gunpowder.</p><p>[spoiler="breath of siberyis"]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]135194[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>Teaching someone to <em>aim </em>a cannon siege staff or even simple staff like noted in the second highlighted paragraph there is something one could call equivalently difficult for a given level of proficiency. With that said, the results of a siege staff or wand are dramatically more effective than a mere cannonball & in some cases closer to some of what modern artillery can accomplish</p><p></p><p></p><p>The role of the dragonmarked houses in eberron is so extensive that the idea of a kingdom taking such a massive leap backwards to sever ties with cannith would be like the US military going back to ww2 era "fighterplanes" & swords to not be beholden to lockheed & boeing. Cannith has a <em>genetic</em> monopoly, short of house cannith splitting in two as phiarlin kinda did it's literally impossible for someone else to do what they do at the speed & cost they do it. That arcane artillery can be mass produced because of cannith's capabilities & those capabilities could be turned to dangerous barely effective curiosities like the ones you suggest if not for them being dangerous & ineffective curiosities</p><p></p><p>Wotc's focus on the needs of equipment FR first last & only when making the weapons & armor systems in 5e so overlysimplified may have prevented someone from throwing a shadowrun style "weapons of eberron" book up on dmsguild or something, but that failure doesn't suddenly solve all of the gunpowder & firearm development problems.</p><p></p><p>Not as much as you are suggesting</p><p>[spoiler="they were all this nation before the last war started"]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]135199[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]135200[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>That's one of the key differences of some nations (aundair/zil/droaam) & there are reasons for that just like breland's farmland, karrnath's undead, & the wealth & resulting mass of warforged held by pre-mourning Cyre all have or had reasons that predate the last war. Every nation had a similar level of magic prior to the last war, they just developed it differently during the war due to what resources were at their disposal through the war. Any nation in khorvaire developing guns because they somehow have "less" magic than a different nation would be like starfleet investing in gunpowder based cannons rather than phaser arrays because it worked great for kirk <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxQqJbW-ohw" target="_blank">here</a>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8240637, member: 93670"] How many [I]weeks[/I] do you estimate that it takes to teach an individual to "crush [a small globe] against an engraved brass plate"? I think you are overestimating the level of "training" needed for a magewright. Unlike forgotten realms, eberron has a public education system in khorvaire & likely similar to varying degrees on the other major continents. At times magewright has included lamplighter seamstress launderer & other very low skill positions. As to bombadiers & people wanting to operate the smaller normal staff sized variants mentioned... It's just not a credible claim to suggest that significant training would be required to teach the operator to "crush the breath of siberys against an engraved brass plate" while suggesting that feebleminded individual who needed extensive training to basically crush an egg is going to be someone you can trust around gunpowder. [spoiler="breath of siberyis"] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1617726989411.png"]135194[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] Teaching someone to [I]aim [/I]a cannon siege staff or even simple staff like noted in the second highlighted paragraph there is something one could call equivalently difficult for a given level of proficiency. With that said, the results of a siege staff or wand are dramatically more effective than a mere cannonball & in some cases closer to some of what modern artillery can accomplish The role of the dragonmarked houses in eberron is so extensive that the idea of a kingdom taking such a massive leap backwards to sever ties with cannith would be like the US military going back to ww2 era "fighterplanes" & swords to not be beholden to lockheed & boeing. Cannith has a [I]genetic[/I] monopoly, short of house cannith splitting in two as phiarlin kinda did it's literally impossible for someone else to do what they do at the speed & cost they do it. That arcane artillery can be mass produced because of cannith's capabilities & those capabilities could be turned to dangerous barely effective curiosities like the ones you suggest if not for them being dangerous & ineffective curiosities Wotc's focus on the needs of equipment FR first last & only when making the weapons & armor systems in 5e so overlysimplified may have prevented someone from throwing a shadowrun style "weapons of eberron" book up on dmsguild or something, but that failure doesn't suddenly solve all of the gunpowder & firearm development problems. Not as much as you are suggesting [spoiler="they were all this nation before the last war started"] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1617729179111.png"]135199[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1617729236817.png"]135200[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] That's one of the key differences of some nations (aundair/zil/droaam) & there are reasons for that just like breland's farmland, karrnath's undead, & the wealth & resulting mass of warforged held by pre-mourning Cyre all have or had reasons that predate the last war. Every nation had a similar level of magic prior to the last war, they just developed it differently during the war due to what resources were at their disposal through the war. Any nation in khorvaire developing guns because they somehow have "less" magic than a different nation would be like starfleet investing in gunpowder based cannons rather than phaser arrays because it worked great for kirk [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxQqJbW-ohw']here[/URL]. [/QUOTE]
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