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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8240900" data-attributes="member: 93670">It also takes a specially trained baker to bake a cake, said training can often be summarized as reading the recipe on the box &amp; basic familiarity with kitchen tools.&nbsp; That level of familiarity with the arcane equivalent of kitchen tools is common in Eberron, Sigil, possibly pre-cleansing war Athas, parts of Thay,&nbsp; much of silverymoon based entirely on the high % of elves, &amp; many others making it perfectly reasonable that a period as long as &quot;a couple weeks&quot; could train someone up to metaphorically push the button.&nbsp; At your table you are welcome to declare that the level of &quot;specially trained&quot; needed is more like grandmaster <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cake_Wars" target="_blank">cakewars</a> champion, but the setting&nbsp; &amp; RAW for the artillery weapons themselves do not require thatYour arguments depend on conflating two wildly different levels of training with the weapon as being equivalent. You&nbsp; also seem to be confusing the section on players activating them[ATTACH=full]135235[/ATTACH]with the section about npcs doing so immediately before that[ATTACH=full]135236[/ATTACH]Casting cantrips as an action or ritually including the racial cantrips makes one &quot;a spellcaster&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Adding &quot;specially trained&quot; from there only requires some amount of special training&nbsp; not X level artificer.&nbsp; Despite your claims otherwise nothing about the level of training or the required time investment is detailed.&nbsp; When talking about a setting where a lamplighter, seamstress, launderer, chef, &amp; possibly even the farmer you talked up earlier are spellcasters there is not a very high barrier in place by needing a &quot;spellcaster&quot; to operate a siege staff with the same &quot;couple of weeks&quot; you put forward as good for operating a gunpowder cannon for the &quot;specially trained&quot; part to be met.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8240900, member: 93670"] It also takes a specially trained baker to bake a cake, said training can often be summarized as reading the recipe on the box & basic familiarity with kitchen tools. That level of familiarity with the arcane equivalent of kitchen tools is [I]common[/I] in Eberron, Sigil, possibly pre-cleansing war Athas, parts of Thay, much of silverymoon based entirely on the high % of elves, & many others making it perfectly reasonable that a period as long as "a couple weeks" could train someone up to metaphorically push the button. At your table you are welcome to declare that the level of "specially trained" needed is more like grandmaster [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cake_Wars']cakewars[/URL] champion, but the setting & RAW for the artillery weapons themselves do not require that Your arguments depend on conflating two wildly different levels of training with the weapon as being equivalent. You also seem to be confusing the section on players activating them [ATTACH type="full" alt="1617750704342.png"]135235[/ATTACH] with the section about npcs doing so immediately before that [ATTACH type="full" alt="1617750751664.png"]135236[/ATTACH] Casting cantrips as an action or ritually including the racial cantrips makes one "a spellcaster". Adding "specially trained" from there only requires [I]some[/I] amount of special training not X level artificer. Despite your claims otherwise nothing about the level of training or the required time investment is detailed. When talking about a setting where a lamplighter, seamstress, launderer, chef, & possibly even the farmer you talked up earlier are spellcasters there is not a very high barrier in place by needing a "spellcaster" to operate a siege staff with the same "couple of weeks" you put forward as good for operating a gunpowder cannon for the "specially trained" part to be met. [/QUOTE]

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