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<blockquote data-quote="Distracted DM" data-source="post: 9348468" data-attributes="member: 6894926"><p>I was just having a discussion about the <em>Message </em>spell (a few minutes ago!) so I was interested to see where you'd rank it, but when I saw it as A-tier I was curious. You may have missed an important note: It has a verbal component. You need to make your magical gestures with your material component or spell focus while speaking the magic words in a clear voice, and THEN you can whisper your message (and receive a whispered reply).</p><p></p><p>I don't really understand the use of 5e's version of the Message spell, it's weird. In earlier editions it was more useful, but you had limited spells- whether it was a cantrip in 3e or a 1st level in AD&D.</p><p>With 5e... 120ft range ok, someone you're pointing at far off through a window can hear you. The "pointing at" part is also strange.</p><p></p><p>From the 3.5 SRD, check out the most important part: the duration</p><p>[SPOILER]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]363644[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>Or maybe you didn't miss it and I'm just missing the useful part <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p><p>It came up in the conversation I was having because one player suggested using it as a discreet way to get advantage on Insight via help.</p><p></p><p><em>Edit: It can target someone in another room, so I guess if you're separated but know that they're in the next room, that can be useful. Still pretty niche.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Distracted DM, post: 9348468, member: 6894926"] I was just having a discussion about the [I]Message [/I]spell (a few minutes ago!) so I was interested to see where you'd rank it, but when I saw it as A-tier I was curious. You may have missed an important note: It has a verbal component. You need to make your magical gestures with your material component or spell focus while speaking the magic words in a clear voice, and THEN you can whisper your message (and receive a whispered reply). I don't really understand the use of 5e's version of the Message spell, it's weird. In earlier editions it was more useful, but you had limited spells- whether it was a cantrip in 3e or a 1st level in AD&D. With 5e... 120ft range ok, someone you're pointing at far off through a window can hear you. The "pointing at" part is also strange. From the 3.5 SRD, check out the most important part: the duration [SPOILER] [ATTACH type="full" width="770px" alt="1715971878019.png"]363644[/ATTACH] [/SPOILER] Or maybe you didn't miss it and I'm just missing the useful part :( It came up in the conversation I was having because one player suggested using it as a discreet way to get advantage on Insight via help. [I]Edit: It can target someone in another room, so I guess if you're separated but know that they're in the next room, that can be useful. Still pretty niche.[/I] [/QUOTE]
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