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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5046180" data-attributes="member: 4937">When you have the thing balanced as a minor action usuable at will, it severely limits your ability to be creative.  I loved cantrips, but it was really the 3rd edition mechanic of making them a minor but still useful spell that made them most interesting to me.Things you can't do with a 4e minor action cantrip:1) Effect a skill roll.  If it could, effectively the Wizard would gain ranks in all skills for free.2) Damage a target.  If it could, effectively the Wizard's damage/round would increase.3) Apply a condition to a target.  As per #2.4) Replace a ritual.  If it could, you've infringed on the ritual caster silo.5) Gain a useful degree of immunity.  It would become effectively a class feature.6) Move the caster.  If it could, effectively the Wizard would get a speed bonus.Virtually all the 1e cantrips meet the above standard, but they also got rolled up into 'Presdigitation', which is fitting for both 3e and 4e. Virtually all the creative and balanced 3e cantrips I encountered or thought up did one of the above 6 things.The suggestions you make for 4e cantips seem to me to be better covered as some sort of minor low cost ritual.  A possible comprimise positions is that you could come up with a feat that allowed you to select some number of minor rituals from a list to be added to your known cantrips list.  Essentially thereby you'd gain a small number of at will 'utility powers' which individually would not be worth choosing as a utility power, but collectively might be worth some sacrifice to obtain.  I don't know enough about 4e balance to suggest specific mechanics though.</blockquote>

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