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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gronin" data-source="post: 5643459" data-attributes="member: 7603">So far (and I will admit I haven't DMed or played past around 15th level) I have seen no need to cap levels.In older editions (and I have played pretty much all of them over the last 35 years) a level cap seemed to me to be necessary as the game devolved into an endless battle of super powers where your only real competition came from NPCs, a very limited number of monsters and gods.  Virtually without exception our games came to grinding halt at around 12th or 13th level.For me one of the real attractions of 4th was the idea that it had flattened the curve regarding leveling and there was now lots to do (even for a night of casual gaming) at the higher levels.  As far as I can tell this has proven to be the case.That being said there seems to be a bit more work required from the DM as the characters move from Heroic to Paragon levels and begin to become shapers of the world rather than shaped by the world.  As I said I haven't had the opportunity to play beyond paragon as of yet so I can't speak to that.</blockquote>