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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 9591452" data-attributes="member: 7026617">I suspect given what we've seen, its basically what some people think classic ninja training, especially of kunoichi was like.&nbsp; Which is to say there's a lot going on there, and imprinted early.But I suspect that matters more as to breadth than depth.There's nothing much to really suggest that, though.&nbsp; The conditioning was absolutely a thing, but note it was still a work-in-progress (that was what Nat's &quot;mother&quot; Melena was involved in) and what Dreykov did to his daughter was treated like it had been cutting edge and experimental (my own hypothesis is it was leftover Hydra experimental technology; but note there's no suggestion that the Red Room graduates had anything like a super-soldier serum, even if that was the case with the version of Nat from the comics).Basically, my position is that there's no suggestion that Widows are anything but women highly trained and selected from an early age; most other benefits they have, just like Sam, come from various pieces of obvious super-tech like the Stings.&nbsp; This is confused a bit because Nat was apparently a standout even amidst them.&nbsp; But nothing suggests she or the other Widows were superhuman in any fashion beyond the highly-trained super-agent stereotype.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 9591452, member: 7026617"] I suspect given what we've seen, its basically what some people think classic ninja training, especially of kunoichi was like. Which is to say there's a lot going on there, and imprinted early. But I suspect that matters more as to breadth than depth. There's nothing much to really suggest that, though. The conditioning was absolutely a thing, but note it was still a work-in-progress (that was what Nat's "mother" Melena was involved in) and what Dreykov did to his daughter was treated like it had been cutting edge and experimental (my own hypothesis is it was leftover Hydra experimental technology; but note there's no suggestion that the Red Room graduates had anything like a super-soldier serum, even if that was the case with the version of Nat from the comics). Basically, my position is that there's no suggestion that Widows are anything but women highly trained and selected from an early age; most other benefits they have, just like Sam, come from various pieces of obvious super-tech like the Stings. This is confused a bit because Nat was apparently a standout even amidst them. But nothing suggests she or the other Widows were superhuman in any fashion beyond the highly-trained super-agent stereotype. [/QUOTE]

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