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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Iron_Chef" data-source="post: 1676910" data-attributes="member: 4530">I've seen glowing reviews of Carcassonne and Settlers of Catan. The graphic design of both leave a lot to be desired, IMO, coming from an Avalon Hill/Zombies!!! type boardgame background (lots of cool plastic minis, nice maps). Still, I'm interested in trying them. But at $30 each and seemingly equal praise, I'm not sure which to buy. How do these games compare to Avalon Hill games (like A&A, not the old school brainiac "Squad Leader" type stuff with billions of chits) or Zombies (variable map tiles)? There seem to be a lot of expansions/supplements for Settlers of Catan, while I didn't see any for Carcassonne. Lots of expansions are cool if I love the game, but not at the playability/fun expense of the main game (like you need suplement "X" to make the basic set play better). I want something that's easy to learn, fairly fast to play (1-2 hours) but still complex and devious enough for my adult mind to develop evil "screw my opponents over while buillding myself up" strategies around. So, which is it? Caracassonne or Settlers of Catan?</blockquote>