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Message: <blockquote data-quote="morbiczer" data-source="post: 1676971" data-attributes="member: 15119">1. I think this thread will be moved somewhere else. 2. I don't know any of the games you mentioned, but I own both Settlers of Catan and Carcassone. Both are very good games. I think the look of them is very good, but this might be due to different personal tastes. I like simple wood tokens, but don't like plastic minis in my games. 3. Carcassone is a really simple game, it doesn"t take more then 10 minutes to explain the rules. Game time is around 30-45 minutes, up to 5 players. I really like it because it is so simple, yet really fun. There are several expansions to the base game, but I only know the German names of them. Check boardgamegeek.com or somewhere, I'm sure you'll find the English names. They aren't needed to run the game, but I think it is more enjoyable with the first expansion. The second expansion is good too, but there are some new rules due to which the game looses some of it simplicity. Not everyone lieks that. But there are also drawbacks to the expansions: more tiles means it takes longer to finsh the game, but this doesn't have to be a bad thing. Depends on your persnal tastes. There is also a variant of Carcassone, something like Carcassone the Stone Age. It follows the same basics as the normal Carcassone, but there are also differences. This version is a game on its own, you don't need the normal Carcassone to play it, you can't combine them. 4. Settlers of Catan is a very good game. There are basically two expansions, one is called something like Seafarer's Expansion, the other one Cities and Knights. You don't need any of these to have fun with Catan. I don't think the Seafarer's Expansion adds a lot to the game, but I like Cities and Knights, although it isquite different from the original game (more randomness). A sesssion of Catan takes at least an hour, most likely even 90 minutes or more. It's a more complex and somewhat more complicated game then Carcassone, but really not diffucult to master. Catan can be played by 3-4 people, but there is a special expansion set for 5-6 players. There are also 5-6 player expansion sets for the expansions!There are also a lot of variants of Catan available, which are based on the basic game mechanics, but also introduce many new elements. ("Space-Catan", "Nuremberg Catan" , 2-3 "historical scenarios", Settlers of the Stone Age.) These are standalone games, you don't need Catan to play them. I only know some of these. They are good, but they don't have random maps, so there is no big replayability (is this a word?). 5. From what little I know of Avalon Hill games, the two have not a lot in common with them. 6. My suggestion: buy both! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Both are really good.</blockquote>

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