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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 5090400" data-attributes="member: 5890">Munchkin, once you know how to play, almost invariably ends up with everyone at level 9, and the winner being that guy who tried to kill a monster when everyone else had used all their &quot;stop the guy from winning&quot; cards.Alternately, with certain expansions, it ends up being the game where everyone is at level 9 and someone has the &quot;I win now&quot; card and noone can do anything about it.And it seems that the more expansions you add, the less &quot;stop the guy from winning&quot; cards there are, so most games end with you feeling like the outcome had nothing to do with you at all.Carcassonne is a great game that doesn't get stale. It doesn't really work with only 2 players though: a third is really needed for any decent play. The expansions add some interesting new rules (which is good) and some seriously whacky map tiles (which is bad). I'd disagree with the assessment that the game has no depth: certainly it's possible to arrive at a mathematical best-play algorithm, but the fact that negotiations are possible with other players blows that out of the water.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 5090400, member: 5890"] Munchkin, once you know how to play, almost invariably ends up with everyone at level 9, and the winner being that guy who tried to kill a monster when everyone else had used all their "stop the guy from winning" cards. Alternately, with certain expansions, it ends up being the game where everyone is at level 9 and someone has the "I win now" card and noone can do anything about it. And it seems that the more expansions you add, the less "stop the guy from winning" cards there are, so most games end with you feeling like the outcome had nothing to do with you at all. Carcassonne is a great game that doesn't get stale. It doesn't really work with only 2 players though: a third is really needed for any decent play. The expansions add some interesting new rules (which is good) and some seriously whacky map tiles (which is bad). I'd disagree with the assessment that the game has no depth: certainly it's possible to arrive at a mathematical best-play algorithm, but the fact that negotiations are possible with other players blows that out of the water. [/QUOTE]

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