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<blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 4492238" data-attributes="member: 51942">If you have a less than even chance of hitting a creature, careful attack can be better than twin strike, given a high enough careful attack bonus.&nbsp; This situation can occur.&nbsp; Fighting against an overlevel enemy isn't uncommon - for 6 players a 3rd level young black dragon is a low-end &quot;hard&quot; difficulty encounter (being 875XP, and the hard range being 900-1200XP), but it has 22AC, which a 1st level ranger can certainly hit - but not easily.Certainly careful attack can be better, if the bonus is high enough.&nbsp; The problem is partially that any bonus high enough to make it see common use (+6 - +8?) is so high that it's begging to be abused by creative combos.&nbsp; Conversely, a bonus of +2 is completely pointless.&nbsp; I think a bonus of +4 is a reasonable compromise, though it's still a sucky power then, since in the situations where twin strike loses to careful attack with a +4 bonus you're only hitting on a 17 or higher... ...and though, especially if the circumstances are against you, this can happen, it's rare, and further, you're almost certainly better off spending your action doing something to improve the circumstances rather than almost certainly missing.Perhaps the defense bonus fix would be reasonable - especially in combination with a higher bonus - a +4 to hit and a +1 to all defenses is probably still not broken.As a bit of an aside, I find the stories that it used to be +4 and was then changed to +2 prerelease to be somewhat worrisome - I mean, how hard is it to see that careful attack is simply a situational power, even at +4, and a pretty terribly choice at +2?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="eamon, post: 4492238, member: 51942"] If you have a less than even chance of hitting a creature, careful attack can be better than twin strike, given a high enough careful attack bonus. This situation can occur. Fighting against an overlevel enemy isn't uncommon - for 6 players a 3rd level young black dragon is a low-end "hard" difficulty encounter (being 875XP, and the hard range being 900-1200XP), but it has 22AC, which a 1st level ranger can certainly hit - but not easily. Certainly careful attack can be better, if the bonus is high enough. The problem is partially that any bonus high enough to make it see common use (+6 - +8?) is so high that it's begging to be abused by creative combos. Conversely, a bonus of +2 is completely pointless. I think a bonus of +4 is a reasonable compromise, though it's still a sucky power then, since in the situations where twin strike loses to careful attack with a +4 bonus you're only hitting on a 17 or higher... ...and though, especially if the circumstances are against you, this [i]can[/i] happen, it's rare, and further, you're almost certainly better off spending your action doing something to improve the circumstances rather than almost certainly missing. Perhaps the defense bonus fix would be reasonable - especially in combination with a higher bonus - a +4 to hit [i]and[/i] a +1 to all defenses is probably still not broken. As a bit of an aside, I find the stories that it used to be +4 and was then changed to +2 prerelease to be somewhat worrisome - I mean, how hard is it to see that careful attack is simply a situational power, even at +4, and a pretty terribly choice at +2? [/QUOTE]

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