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<blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 4495448" data-attributes="member: 6562">Many have. Of those who have, none have found any use for those 2 powers.&nbsp;Damage is higher for Sure Strike, but delayed. That's how it should work: you invest, and hope for a payoff.&nbsp;Ignoring the new TWF at-will, have you forgotten Passing Attack, Sweeping Blow, Rain of Blows? (All encounter powers of 3rd level or lower.)&nbsp;Well, duh. It's bad to give out new bonus types which stack, particularly in an at-will. We're not trying to compete against Righteous Brand, we're just trying to make Sure Strike / Careful Attack not suck.&nbsp;You could not be more wrong. Go look at Righteous Brand, and all the reasons why it's regarded as the best at-will in the game.Setting up for big attacks is very good tactics.&nbsp;Are you seriously asserting that a +10% change in expected damage isn't useful? Or is this a statistical joke I'm just not getting?&nbsp;Fighters have a lot of &quot;rider&quot; effects. One of their best is what they get to do on Opportunity Attacks (stop movement), but the rider effects on Cleave and Tide of Iron are both quite good.&nbsp;Exactly -- and that's why Nifft's Careful Attack is decent for Rangers.Fighters also tend to get more OAs than Rangers (though this is DM-dependent), so factor those in too.However, I do like the OA side-effect. It means Nifft's Sure Strike makes Fighters better Defenders (since they're more likely to hit with their OA), and Nifft's Careful Attack makes Rangers better Strikers (since they have lots of attacks, and now their attacks are more likely to hit).Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nifft, post: 4495448, member: 6562"] Many have. Of those who have, none have found any use for those 2 powers. Damage is higher for Sure Strike, but delayed. That's how it should work: you invest, and hope for a payoff. Ignoring the new TWF at-will, have you forgotten Passing Attack, Sweeping Blow, Rain of Blows? (All encounter powers of 3rd level or lower.) Well, duh. It's bad to give out new bonus types which stack, particularly in an at-will. We're not trying to compete against Righteous Brand, we're just trying to make Sure Strike / Careful Attack not suck. You could not be more wrong. Go look at Righteous Brand, and all the reasons why it's regarded as the best at-will in the game. Setting up for big attacks is very good tactics. Are you seriously asserting that a +10% change in expected damage isn't useful? Or is this a statistical joke I'm just not getting? Fighters have a lot of "rider" effects. One of their best is what they get to do on Opportunity Attacks (stop movement), but the rider effects on Cleave and Tide of Iron are both quite good. Exactly -- and that's why Nifft's Careful Attack is decent for Rangers. Fighters also tend to get more OAs than Rangers (though this is DM-dependent), so factor those in too. However, I do like the OA side-effect. It means Nifft's Sure Strike makes Fighters better Defenders (since they're more likely to hit with their OA), and Nifft's Careful Attack makes Rangers better Strikers (since they have lots of attacks, and now their attacks are more likely to hit). Cheers, -- N [/QUOTE]

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