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Message: <blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6076195" data-attributes="member: 6681948">A good point, especially with that power level under discussion elsewhere and "hundreds of scrolls" being a recurring theme.  That 7 STR wizard has a lot of trouble carrying his spellbook and some food and water if we apply the encumbrance rules.  Carrying items may help in the long run, but haversacks also have limits.  And those same "overpower" concerns often refer to spells like Rope Trick.  OK, Mr. Wizard, now that you have made it up the rope, you open your haveersack and see an empty backpack.  As it is in an extra dimensional space, the bag's own extra dimensional spaces are inaccessible.  Since you can't get your spellbook out, how will you be replenishing your spells?OK, I'm confused.  You normally roll initiative at the start of the battle.  You either move on your initiative, or you delay.  If you delay, when you move later, your place in the order changes.  Are you modifying those rules so, I can move at 5 on the first round, then 10 on the second, and get two actions before the fellow moving at 8 gets another one?  So, on 5, I let go of the sack I'm carrying (swift or free action, I assume) and start a full round spell.  The guy who moved on 8 can't do anything about it since I'll finish on 10 next round.Can I just delay dropping the sack until after he moves, then start my spell so it finishes 5 higher (and before he moves again) in initiative order?Those Bags and Haversacks have capacity too.  And some items don't make sense tucked away (a Move action to retrieve your crossbow bolt, for example, or spell components, is unhelpful, and your familiar wants his familiar carrier in THIS dimension, thank you!).  For very low STR, even with the haversack there are challenges.  Sticking to Light load means 33 lb at 10 STR - how many Arcanists dump STR lower than that (hint:  the optimizers generally do!)?My Witch just bought a haversack.  But my Witch has a tent, a camp chair, a mess kit, a cooking pot, a bedroll, a cot, rations, and a waterskin when on the road (not to mention actual adventuring gear).  Guess what?  I still need my mule, since the haversack can't quite accommodate all that gear.  Next up, a Bag of Holding (the lightest one weighs 15 lb - too much with gear I want on hand) to fill up with camp gear and toss in the Haversack (where the items will be inaccessible - no biggie).  That's great...until I run out of space there.Lucky I'm not a crafting witch.  Carrying the tools to craft arm's and armor would add more weight.I'm also building a cleric for another game.  Scale Mail, Shield and Morning Star are pretty heavy.  Now I can go to a Medium load with no penalties beyond the armor, but I'm not a high STR melee cleric, so it's still tight.  Those haversacks are sure handy - but they pull some wealth away, and there are still weight issues.  Spellbooks add up fast, especially for the spellcaster who has to have every spell he can lay his hands on.  Just those cantrips and starting L1 spells eat a good chunk of that 100 page spellbook.  Spell component spell, likely a dagger or staff, and a crossbow.  Clothes (I hope - especially if you dumped CHA <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />), food, water, camping gear, etc. although much of the latter can sit on a mule (or a warrior <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />) until you can afford a carrying item.At low STR levels, moving up to a medium load can happen pretty quick, even if you're not the party pack mule (high STR warrior type) hauling out the treasure.  My 1/2 Orc Barbarian can carry a selection of other party members, gear and all, but do you trust him with your possessions?  Extra food and water, tent, bedroll - sure.  Spellbooks?  Maybe no so much?</blockquote>

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