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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5817430" data-attributes="member: 54877">For a solution that is halfway between that and the 3E solution, have &quot;virtual levels&quot; by several broad, common categories.&nbsp; For example, use the 4E power sources with 3E multiclassing.&nbsp; You can have &quot;arcane,&quot; &quot;divine,&quot; &quot;primal,&quot; &quot;psionic,&quot; etc. levels.&nbsp; These stack internally, no matter which classes provides a given source level, but don't stack with each other.&nbsp; So if you take levels of bard, sorcerer, and wizard, your &quot;arcane&quot; caster level keeps going up just fine.&nbsp; However, try to add on one level of cleric, and you've got no more divine ability than a 1st level cleric just starting out.&nbsp; &nbsp;For simple classes, I'm not sure that avoiding certain stacking is such a bad thing.&nbsp; Then if you want to allow things like the cleric/wizard to be effective, make the character pay feats for that, instead of paying the feats for the multiclassing itself.&nbsp; You could make this a percentage, and set the max based on what is considered acceptable.&nbsp; Perhaps a wizard/cleric that really works at it can get 75% or 80% or so of the spell levels of a straight arcane or divine caster.&nbsp; So you might allow 20% to 25% per feat, up to that limit.&nbsp; A 50/50 caster at 20th level already has 10th level divine, 10th level arcane.&nbsp; Spend a couple of feats, and get to count 50% of divine (i.e. 5 caster levels) towards arcane and vice versa.&nbsp;I'd cap such a system short of 100%, but I suppose that would be a setting everyone would pick differently.&nbsp; Also, you might have some more complex base classes that got those feat abilities as class abilities (in return for not getting other things).&nbsp; &nbsp;Short of going back to 1E multiclassing or something like the 4E hybrid, I don't know of a way to have stackable multiclassing that doesn't run into either this problem, or handwave it away and step on niches of the single classes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5817430, member: 54877"] For a solution that is halfway between that and the 3E solution, have "virtual levels" by several broad, common categories. For example, use the 4E power sources with 3E multiclassing. You can have "arcane," "divine," "primal," "psionic," etc. levels. These stack internally, no matter which classes provides a given source level, but don't stack with each other. So if you take levels of bard, sorcerer, and wizard, your "arcane" caster level keeps going up just fine. However, try to add on one level of cleric, and you've got no more divine ability than a 1st level cleric just starting out. For simple classes, I'm not sure that avoiding certain stacking is such a bad thing. Then if you want to allow things like the cleric/wizard to be effective, make the character pay feats for that, instead of paying the feats for the multiclassing itself. You could make this a percentage, and set the max based on what is considered acceptable. Perhaps a wizard/cleric that really works at it can get 75% or 80% or so of the spell levels of a straight arcane or divine caster. So you might allow 20% to 25% per feat, up to that limit. A 50/50 caster at 20th level already has 10th level divine, 10th level arcane. Spend a couple of feats, and get to count 50% of divine (i.e. 5 caster levels) towards arcane and vice versa. I'd cap such a system short of 100%, but I suppose that would be a setting everyone would pick differently. Also, you might have some more complex base classes that got those feat abilities as class abilities (in return for not getting other things). Short of going back to 1E multiclassing or something like the 4E hybrid, I don't know of a way to have stackable multiclassing that doesn't run into either this problem, or handwave it away and step on niches of the single classes. [/QUOTE]

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