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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 5820891" data-attributes="member: 32164">Well, there were a few 1e players who were annoyed that their overpowered prestige class got nerfed. But other than that? Not that I recall.Among the groups I played with, there was a discussion about whether the 2nd-Edition bard was TOO capable. It had the combat ability of a thief combined with the ability to use any weapon and wear chainmail, plus 4 of the 8 thief skills, magic spells, and the bardic lore abilities on top of that.I remember it being a very popular and capable class. Granted, some people couldn't get past the flavor and found it silly, but I think they were few and far between.IIRC, the Harpers in the Forgotten Realms were largely due to the absurd popularity of bards as a character class. Or maybe it was just because Ed liked 'em.What I do recall is the wailing and gnashing of teeth when 3e came along - and basically wrecked the bard as a class. Like rangers (another very popular 2e class), bards after the edition change were a pale shadow of their former selves. People kept playing them out of nostalgia, but the 3e versions of both classes were pretty weak (I grant the rampant abuse by min-maxers who took 1 level of ranger).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 5820891, member: 32164"] Well, there were a few 1e players who were annoyed that their overpowered prestige class got nerfed. But other than that? Not that I recall. Among the groups I played with, there was a discussion about whether the 2nd-Edition bard was TOO capable. It had the combat ability of a thief combined with the ability to use any weapon and wear chainmail, plus 4 of the 8 thief skills, magic spells, and the bardic lore abilities on top of that. I remember it being a very popular and capable class. Granted, some people couldn't get past the flavor and found it silly, but I think they were few and far between. IIRC, the Harpers in the Forgotten Realms were largely due to the absurd popularity of bards as a character class. Or maybe it was just because Ed liked 'em. What I do recall is the wailing and gnashing of teeth when 3e came along - and basically wrecked the bard as a class. Like rangers (another very popular 2e class), bards after the edition change were a pale shadow of their former selves. People kept playing them out of nostalgia, but the 3e versions of both classes were pretty weak (I grant the rampant abuse by min-maxers who took 1 level of ranger). [/QUOTE]

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