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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 8492158" data-attributes="member: 63508">I didn't say they weren't fantastic.I said they aren't as fantastic.The D&amp;D Master Swordmen isn't as fantastic as an Archmage. D&amp;D doesn't even have a Master Swordsman entry in the official books.It's more that people don't like the fantastical element that D&amp;D focuses on for martial characters.It's really just toughness, evasion, an magic items. The paragon or epic tier martial characterr is a tank with 5-10 magic itemsOther media show other forms of martial fantasticalness and D&amp;D doesn't replicate many other them.level 12.Quite frankly most martial class feature postlevel 12 or so are just level 2-8 class features use to fill dead levels.Like a ranger gets the abilty to fight blind att level 18. They can also get practically the same ability at level 2 as a fighting style or 4th level from a feat.The fighter just get extra uses of it's low level stuff. Not even stronger version. Just extra uses.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 8492158, member: 63508"] I didn't say they weren't fantastic. I said they aren't as fantastic. The D&D Master Swordmen isn't as fantastic as an Archmage. D&D doesn't even have a Master Swordsman entry in the official books. It's more that people don't like the fantastical element that D&D focuses on for martial characters. It's really just toughness, evasion, an magic items. The paragon or epic tier martial characterr is a tank with 5-10 magic items Other media show other forms of martial fantasticalness and D&D doesn't replicate many other them. level 12. Quite frankly most martial class feature postlevel 12 or so are just level 2-8 class features use to fill [U]dead levels[/U]. Like a ranger gets the abilty to fight blind att level 18. They can also get practically the same ability at level 2 as a fighting style or 4th level from a feat. The fighter just get extra uses of it's low level stuff. Not even stronger version. Just extra uses. [/QUOTE]

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