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<blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8492421" data-attributes="member: 7019027">But what good would cutting a mountain or building a wall do for a dungeon crawl? Sure, there's niche uses but a feature saying you can cut a mountain will still feel useless when you're traversing the underdark. This is yet another point about the debate: once you give a martial an ability, it can't be taken back. Wizards can prepare the &quot;mountain breaker&quot; spell for when they're climbing mountains, and replace it with the &quot;Underdark Tunneler&quot; spell for when they're traversing the underdark. And it makes sense because magic, in lore, is a sequence of techniques to manipulate the weave. These are technical abilities that can be remembered or forgotten based on intelligence. Martials, on the other hand, don't rely on their intelligence. If they have a &quot;mountain breaker&quot; ability, that's due to their muscle. They can't forget how to hit very hard. It's one thing to have the hulk able to crush boulders, but it's another that as he got stronger, he somehow forgot how to do it. So naturally, these abilities would be the type where you're locked into the decision. If it's a feature embedded in the class, then unless it's so general like &quot;You can break anything,&quot; then it can be seen as niche since not all campaigns may feature the needed ability. If it's chosen out of a list, you have to build more carefully than even Known spellcasters, who still have the luxury of forgetting their features. And that's not a fun design for many people, as apparent from the Ranger's Favored Enemy and Natural Explorer features.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Asisreo, post: 8492421, member: 7019027"] But what good would cutting a mountain or building a wall do for a dungeon crawl? Sure, there's niche uses but a feature saying you can cut a mountain will still feel useless when you're traversing the underdark. This is yet another point about the debate: once you give a martial an ability, it can't be taken back. Wizards can prepare the "mountain breaker" spell for when they're climbing mountains, and replace it with the "Underdark Tunneler" spell for when they're traversing the underdark. And it makes sense because magic, in lore, is a sequence of techniques to manipulate the weave. These are technical abilities that can be remembered or forgotten based on intelligence. Martials, on the other hand, don't rely on their intelligence. If they have a "mountain breaker" ability, that's due to their muscle. They can't forget how to hit very hard. It's one thing to have the hulk able to crush boulders, but it's another that as he got stronger, he somehow forgot how to do it. So naturally, these abilities would be the type where you're locked into the decision. If it's a feature embedded in the class, then unless it's so general like "You can break anything," then it can be seen as niche since not all campaigns may feature the needed ability. If it's chosen out of a list, you have to build more carefully than even Known spellcasters, who still have the luxury of forgetting their features. And that's not a fun design for many people, as apparent from the Ranger's Favored Enemy and Natural Explorer features. [/QUOTE]

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