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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8492658" data-attributes="member: 87792">The game, as shown earlier, says superheroic for the top tier. Literally half the classes in the game can cast 9th level spells - which pushes them well into the superheroic. You might house rule and level cap - but for any class not to get there is a betrayal.And I disagree. Maximum human STR in the game will not let you lift nearly as much as Hafthor Bjornsen can deadlift. STR 24 will also not let you lift nearly as much as Hafthor Bjornsen can deadlift. If the game were to tell you that the maximum height for a human was 6'6" and there was a class feature that let you reach 7' tall then that ability wouldn't make you super-human.And how many of them can't reach the capabilities of real world athletes?Fictional heroes only ever get sick when the plot dictates.I wouldn't describe "doesn't need to go to the bathroom" as a super hero power either. It's not something real world characters can do - but it's something that seems to be an ability of (especially male) romantic comedy characters unless the comedy requires it.If a character has the ability to turn their hair green by turning round three times and touching their toes then that is something normal humans can't do. It's also utterly useless and doesn't make that character superheroic.Which is coincidental at best.And Hercules was a demigod. We have fighters who are demigods in origin. So if it applies for some wizards then by the same token it should apply for some fighters.Irrelevant. This is specific to the race and doesn't change much else about the class."Very limited in use". At high level they can spam spells like Harry Potter. This is why I focus on the permanent ones like Wall of Stone (which becomes permanent after ten minutes) and True Polymorph (which becomes permanent after an hour). That's not "very limited in use".And if you look at actual fictional demigods, as mentioned, Circe needed to literally poison people to polymorph them. That's far more limited than a D&D wizard. And she's one of the textbook demigod casters. Meanwhile there was the credible case that Gandalf was a fifth level wizard.Wizards aren't "allowed to be demigods" - they all, no matter how humble and mundane their origins, when they reach high level leave fictional demigods in the dust.The realm of the imagination I think. Possibly when fed opponents playing specifically to their strengths.And I've shown wizards leaving fictional demigods in the dust. Martials, which are often explicitly inspired by demigods don't match them.While a level 17 wizard is already a super-demigod.By your definition a character with naturally blue hair is a super hero because humans can't normally do that. I consider this definition utterly useless.Even you have accepted that this isn't the case. You have accepted that fighters aren't super heroic. Your examples of how barbarians are super heroic don't meet your bar of "more than the real world" for being super heroic.At this point I see no point continuing. I don't believe you have anything resembling a case remaining.</blockquote>

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