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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8493261" data-attributes="member: 87792">This was only "new" to people who'd been playing for less than a decade and a half when it was launched. If you played AD&D the player's numbers for non weapon proficiencies barely went up at all. Meanwhile in 4e everything went up by +1/2 level - meaning that it all cancelled out in many ways so you had a similar impact. Bounded accuracy is one of the biggest cases I've ever seen of putting a fresh coat of paint over a couple of old ideas (almost every fantasy heartbreaker ever reduced the impact of level scaling).I suppose that 3.X fans these days count as "old schoolers"That I think was actually fairly new and is, as you mention, double edged.</blockquote>