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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8493273" data-attributes="member: 82504">And the low amount of advancement of course has for me fun effects like minimizing the advancement awesomeness of characters who rely on skills to accomplish things outside of an arena where hit points and multiattacking exist.And I said awesomeness instead of effectiveness kind of for what I sometimes find a hard to express reason .... the things I as a dm can describe as a target difficulty which they never could achieve early on is virtually non-existent.&nbsp; When the variation from beginning to end is only 4 dc differences.&nbsp; In 5e you are guaranteed even at low levels of being nearly just as able to hit almost all the same dcs you can hit at end game (less 4).&nbsp; You are now a few points better and the DM arbitrarily makes something you had to roll for now free... because you had only 60 percent chance before but now you are so good that is now 100 percent chance???? the numbers do not support any flavor of advancement might be an expression of what I mean.And advancement in terms of awesomeness of approachable targets is gone?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 8493273, member: 82504"] And the low amount of advancement of course has for me fun effects like minimizing the advancement awesomeness of characters who rely on skills to accomplish things outside of an arena where hit points and multiattacking exist. And I said awesomeness instead of effectiveness kind of for what I sometimes find a hard to express reason .... the things I as a dm can describe as a target difficulty which they never could achieve early on is virtually non-existent. When the variation from beginning to end is only 4 dc differences. In 5e you are guaranteed even at low levels of being nearly just as able to hit almost all the same dcs you can hit at end game (less 4). You are now a few points better and the DM arbitrarily makes something you had to roll for now free... because you had only 60 percent chance before but now you are so good that is now 100 percent chance???? the numbers do not support any flavor of advancement might be an expression of what I mean. And advancement in terms of awesomeness of approachable targets is gone? [/QUOTE]

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