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<blockquote data-quote="bert1001 fka bert1000" data-source="post: 8494301" data-attributes="member: 7029588"><p>I think there are two conversations which are happening at once in both this and the Part 1 thread causing a lot of confusion.</p><p></p><p>There is the "what should a mythic martial look like that can rival the current Wizard in power, agency, and narrative punch?" I think people have more consensus on what this might actually look like even though some people hate the idea. This involves some sort of "power source" that isn't mundane earth, but people that like this idea aren't too worried about it. Some might need "touched by the gods" or whatever explainations, but some people are fine with these powers as what some select few fantastic martials grow into due to the fantasy world essence itself. This mythical martial should theoretically only be limited by what the Wizard can do -- Wish anyone? Perhaps you could see open ended narrative powers with this class like Illusion spells and wish-- "You create any kind of mythic strength related task -- holding up the world, diverting rivers, chopping off mountain tops, tunneling through solid stone. Roll a reasonable athletics check. The DM decides the effects of this task but they should be very effective and positive on a success. On failure, you still succeed but at a cost. You can only use this once per long rest" </p><p></p><p>And then there is the "what should a heroic martial look like that strains the definition of mundane into action hero / low tier street superhero range?" I think this is your intention for what you want to discuss out of the OP?</p><p></p><p>This is much fuzzier where the line is for people. I would also argue that you can never reach the "power, agency, and narrative punch" of the Wizard under this framework unless you include some sort of meta currency or temporal power. This is the Black Widow with Dr. Strange issue. But I don't think people who really like this heroic concept care that it will never reach this point, they just want to get it closer?</p><p></p><p>It would help if people would declare which kind of martial they are talking about as sometimes it's not clear.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bert1001 fka bert1000, post: 8494301, member: 7029588"] I think there are two conversations which are happening at once in both this and the Part 1 thread causing a lot of confusion. There is the "what should a mythic martial look like that can rival the current Wizard in power, agency, and narrative punch?" I think people have more consensus on what this might actually look like even though some people hate the idea. This involves some sort of "power source" that isn't mundane earth, but people that like this idea aren't too worried about it. Some might need "touched by the gods" or whatever explainations, but some people are fine with these powers as what some select few fantastic martials grow into due to the fantasy world essence itself. This mythical martial should theoretically only be limited by what the Wizard can do -- Wish anyone? Perhaps you could see open ended narrative powers with this class like Illusion spells and wish-- "You create any kind of mythic strength related task -- holding up the world, diverting rivers, chopping off mountain tops, tunneling through solid stone. Roll a reasonable athletics check. The DM decides the effects of this task but they should be very effective and positive on a success. On failure, you still succeed but at a cost. You can only use this once per long rest" And then there is the "what should a heroic martial look like that strains the definition of mundane into action hero / low tier street superhero range?" I think this is your intention for what you want to discuss out of the OP? This is much fuzzier where the line is for people. I would also argue that you can never reach the "power, agency, and narrative punch" of the Wizard under this framework unless you include some sort of meta currency or temporal power. This is the Black Widow with Dr. Strange issue. But I don't think people who really like this heroic concept care that it will never reach this point, they just want to get it closer? It would help if people would declare which kind of martial they are talking about as sometimes it's not clear. [/QUOTE]
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