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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8494684" data-attributes="member: 23751">Having martial characters be supernatural in some way isn't the issue.  Not everything they do is supernatural, even if you have hit points being magical blessings and not just skill and luck.  When a fighter takes a normal attack, there's nothing at all supernatural about it.  It's 100% mundane.  If a fighter has the ability to split a mountain in half with a single swing due to his high level training, that's supernatural.  All I want is for those sorts of things to be labelled such.  Some people are arguing for the complete mundane ability to do clearly supernatural things.It would be mind control if it makes the person come to you on their own.  You use the power and they are forced to choose to come rush you.  Not every creature would fall prey to words that the fighter uses on that power, but some would lose their cool and do it.  That all have to do it is why it's mind control.  It would not be mind control if you somehow are using your weapon to physically force them closer to you.  It would be supernatural since it would let the fighter physically use a weapon that probably doesn't have a 10 foot reach to yank those creatures in, but it wouldn't be mind control.It's nonsensical or every creature to be goaded by normal words, though.  Like completely nonsensical.  There's nothing you or that fighter could say that would get me to rush you like that.  The only way you or that fighter could do it would be with some sort of supernatural mind control.</blockquote>

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