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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 1686096" data-attributes="member: 1465">It's a good question.UMD definitely lets you emulate the fact of having the spell on your spell list (and renders the arcane/divine nature of the scroll irrelevant) with a skill check.If the spell is also of a level so high that you normally wouldn't be able to cast it (because you don't have a high enough Int/Wis/Cha), you make a second separate UMD check.If you fail at least 1 check, you don't activate the scroll but also there's no mishap chance. If you otherwise succeed, you activate the scroll. At that point, normally you could have a mishap chance if your caster level is lower than the CL of the scroll... there is no explicit mention about emulating a CL with UMD, and there is no explicit mention if you need to do it at all for scrolls.If you want to be strict, I think you probably should require it, and use the &quot;emulate a class feature&quot; option of UMD. That however makes for up to 3 checks required to use that scroll, which possibly make it quite difficult to succeed (especially if you are not a spellcaster at all and therefore have CL 0).If you think this is too much, you could rule0 that since &quot;use a scroll&quot; option of UMD doesn't mention emulating the CL separately, you don't have to check it separately. This however has the downside that you never suffer mishaps with UMD, while spellcasters who just lack in CL do, and it doesn't sound very fair to me.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 1686096, member: 1465"] It's a good question. UMD definitely lets you emulate the fact of having the spell on your spell list (and renders the arcane/divine nature of the scroll irrelevant) with a skill check. If the spell is also of a level so high that you normally wouldn't be able to cast it (because you don't have a high enough Int/Wis/Cha), you make a second separate UMD check. If you fail at least 1 check, you don't activate the scroll but also there's no mishap chance. If you otherwise succeed, you activate the scroll. At that point, normally you could have a mishap chance if your caster level is lower than the CL of the scroll... there is no explicit mention about emulating a CL with UMD, and there is no explicit mention if you need to do it at all for scrolls. If you want to be strict, I think you probably should require it, and use the "emulate a class feature" option of UMD. That however makes for up to 3 checks required to use that scroll, which possibly make it quite difficult to succeed (especially if you are not a spellcaster at all and therefore have CL 0). If you think this is too much, you could rule0 that since "use a scroll" option of UMD doesn't mention emulating the CL separately, you don't have to check it separately. This however has the downside that you never suffer mishaps with UMD, while spellcasters who just lack in CL do, and it doesn't sound very fair to me. :) [/QUOTE]

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