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Casting multiple spells with bonus spells and the order they are cast.
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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7231363" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p>Again, which is most likely? </p><p></p><p>That the rules thought it completely obvious that reactions are exceptions to things happening on turns to a degree it never mentions or explains the rule even once, and that each device tweet just happens to always have an alternative explanation...</p><p></p><p>...or that three guys on the Net initially misread a rule that truthfully IS wonky, but then couldn't admit their error and instead refuses to listen to reason, desperately misinterpreting Sage Advice and ignoring pretty obvious hints.</p><p></p><p>Not to mention they show the telltale signs: a focus on denying evidence rather than support for their own position.</p><p></p><p>This I leave up to each reader to decide.</p><p></p><p>But tell me this. If you have "cleave" (the part of GWM where you gain a bonus attack if you drop a foe) and you kill a goblin as a reaction on your turn, do you get your bonus attack?</p><p></p><p>By the conspiracy reading, the answer would be no, which is ridiculous. </p><p></p><p>That is:</p><p></p><p>Bob the Barbarian says "I'll chop anything I see, then walk around the corner". He readies an attack, then moves.</p><p></p><p>When he rounds the corner there's a goblin - his readied action triggers! He attacks! He hits! He kills the goblin!</p><p></p><p>Now, Bob doesn't get to "cleave" because he didn't drop the foe on his turn, since reactions aren't part of a turn.</p><p></p><p>Huh?</p><p></p><p>Just another nail in the coffin: when a desperate read of the rules to avoid an undesirable rules effect leads to absurd effects elsewhere. </p><p></p><p>The conclusion is clear - a reaction is always part of a turn (somebody's turn). If that turn happens to be your own turn, the rule against casting non-cantrip spells when you have cast a bonus action spell prevents you from casting a reaction spell (unless that reaction spell is a cantrip, which I believe there are none in the game).</p><p></p><p>Zapp</p><p></p><p>Sent from my C6603 using <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=93205" target="_blank">EN World mobile app</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7231363, member: 12731"] Yes. Again, which is most likely? That the rules thought it completely obvious that reactions are exceptions to things happening on turns to a degree it never mentions or explains the rule even once, and that each device tweet just happens to always have an alternative explanation... ...or that three guys on the Net initially misread a rule that truthfully IS wonky, but then couldn't admit their error and instead refuses to listen to reason, desperately misinterpreting Sage Advice and ignoring pretty obvious hints. Not to mention they show the telltale signs: a focus on denying evidence rather than support for their own position. This I leave up to each reader to decide. But tell me this. If you have "cleave" (the part of GWM where you gain a bonus attack if you drop a foe) and you kill a goblin as a reaction on your turn, do you get your bonus attack? By the conspiracy reading, the answer would be no, which is ridiculous. That is: Bob the Barbarian says "I'll chop anything I see, then walk around the corner". He readies an attack, then moves. When he rounds the corner there's a goblin - his readied action triggers! He attacks! He hits! He kills the goblin! Now, Bob doesn't get to "cleave" because he didn't drop the foe on his turn, since reactions aren't part of a turn. Huh? Just another nail in the coffin: when a desperate read of the rules to avoid an undesirable rules effect leads to absurd effects elsewhere. The conclusion is clear - a reaction is always part of a turn (somebody's turn). If that turn happens to be your own turn, the rule against casting non-cantrip spells when you have cast a bonus action spell prevents you from casting a reaction spell (unless that reaction spell is a cantrip, which I believe there are none in the game). Zapp Sent from my C6603 using [URL=http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=93205]EN World mobile app[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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