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Casting on Defensive...too easy?
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<blockquote data-quote="Diirk" data-source="post: 1850872" data-attributes="member: 14476"><p>So lets take a 10th level wizard, he can cast 5th level spells so core rules would put casting defensively at dc 20. This wizard will most likely have 13 ranks in concentration and +2 from con. Combat casting isn't a very usual feat to take, so I'll ignore it for now. So said 10th caster has to roll 5 or more to cast a spell defensively. Ok.</p><p></p><p>Now under your system, lets take a CR 10 monster... say a fire giant. BAB of +11, so to combat cast a 5th level spell, its dc 31. With a +15 concentration skill. Now he has to roll 16 or higher.</p><p></p><p>See a problem? Even with combat casting he has to roll 12 or higher...</p><p></p><p>How about an efreeti? CR 8 with BAB of +10. Still DC 30. Clay golem is CR 10 and only has a BAB of 8.. so thats "only" a DC 28 check. Great, a 10th wizard with maxed out skill ranks and a feat investment can cast a 5th level slightly over half the time.</p><p></p><p>Maybe this problem gets better as you go up in levels? Lets see.. a 20th level wizard casting 9th level spells (15+9 = DC 24 in core). 23 skill ranks in concentration, +2 con, lets give him combat casting to be nice. So +27 concentration check.</p><p></p><p>What do we fight at lvl 20? hmm, lets see... how about an old red dragon? cr 20, perfect. +28 BAB so you're looking at a DC 52 concentration check. So we need to roll a 25 on a d20. The tarrasque is CR 20 as well but I wouldn't want to be making a dc 72 concentration check at level 20...</p><p></p><p>Even if you take something as puny as a Rakshasa with 10 sorceror levels, (BAB of only 12 ! at CR20), you still need to roll a 9 or more to cast a 9th level spell.... WITH a feat spent. I can't even begin to say how wrong I feel this houserule is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Diirk, post: 1850872, member: 14476"] So lets take a 10th level wizard, he can cast 5th level spells so core rules would put casting defensively at dc 20. This wizard will most likely have 13 ranks in concentration and +2 from con. Combat casting isn't a very usual feat to take, so I'll ignore it for now. So said 10th caster has to roll 5 or more to cast a spell defensively. Ok. Now under your system, lets take a CR 10 monster... say a fire giant. BAB of +11, so to combat cast a 5th level spell, its dc 31. With a +15 concentration skill. Now he has to roll 16 or higher. See a problem? Even with combat casting he has to roll 12 or higher... How about an efreeti? CR 8 with BAB of +10. Still DC 30. Clay golem is CR 10 and only has a BAB of 8.. so thats "only" a DC 28 check. Great, a 10th wizard with maxed out skill ranks and a feat investment can cast a 5th level slightly over half the time. Maybe this problem gets better as you go up in levels? Lets see.. a 20th level wizard casting 9th level spells (15+9 = DC 24 in core). 23 skill ranks in concentration, +2 con, lets give him combat casting to be nice. So +27 concentration check. What do we fight at lvl 20? hmm, lets see... how about an old red dragon? cr 20, perfect. +28 BAB so you're looking at a DC 52 concentration check. So we need to roll a 25 on a d20. The tarrasque is CR 20 as well but I wouldn't want to be making a dc 72 concentration check at level 20... Even if you take something as puny as a Rakshasa with 10 sorceror levels, (BAB of only 12 ! at CR20), you still need to roll a 9 or more to cast a 9th level spell.... WITH a feat spent. I can't even begin to say how wrong I feel this houserule is. [/QUOTE]
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