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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dakuth" data-source="post: 5956485" data-attributes="member: 88006">I'll keep my reply brief, because I think this debate has basically run its course.That was just your interpretation of the rules, though, correct? So not evidence of what they actually intended.I'll concede fireball's bead sometimes has a point. It's a bit unique in that way. It does throw a spanner into the AMF since it blocks LoE, but is not a solid barrier. That is entirely open to interpretation, but I'd rule no LoE so you can't target any spell through the AMF. (then a player argues that it's not a solid barrier.. and you CAN target where you don't have LoE - it just fails (e.g. if you don't REALISE you don't have LoE) etc. etc. I concede this is one of those cases that aren't clear-cut, and I blame the bead entry in fireball, which I'd wager was originally intended to be flavour and has been conflated.).... no. The logic is: Skip Williams is an authority, and you are not. Therefore, if what you says contradicts him - you are wrong. Yes, you are wrong because Skip says so... but that's certainly not circular. It goes one direction only.Yes indeedy, that would quality perfectly - and exactly what I'm looking for. And I can simply say that it doesn't... the onus is on the one making the positive claim. If you say the rules are there, you need to quote them - if you're talking about what you quote below, I'll talk about that there.No. I didn't miss it. What you describe there works exactly like LoE. The only difference is if you interpret that as NOT blocking LoE (which admittedly you could, because it's not exactly clear,) you get weird quantum tunnelling lightning bolt effects.Alas, no. But one of the designers did.And if you don't take into account LoE / LoS rules, then you could cast through a solid object. Anyway. I won't bother getting into this bit. Its a minor tangent.I only mentioned etherealness so someone could be standing INSIDE a wall. It could have been some other spell that lets you stand inside a solid object (I originally thought of passwall ... but it actually opens a passage.) Being on another plane had nothing to do with it. Essentially what I was doing was finding another scenario where you could be standing *inside* an area that entirely blocks LoE. A thick, solid wall does this. There are a number of ways of being inside a wall (though now I think about it, etherealness is the only one that immediately comes to mind.) If you were inside a wall, but right on the edge - would you allow a player to cast out? I would not. Mostly, this is for balance reasons (so you can't stand in a wall with total cover, no LoE in, but perfect LoE out) - but also I believe the scenario is covered by saying you have no LoE. LoE from SRD says "hole of at least 1 square foot" is required for it to not block LoE ... I don't think standing inside a LoE blocking effect (solid wall, or AMF if you were to agree with me) would qualify. YMMV in this regard - I'm just saying how I would adjudicate, and why, in case anyone is tossing up options for their own game.I disagree with your conclusions, and I was aware, but at the end of the day I think it's clear where we both stand.(Sorry I didn't keep it as brief as I planned.)</blockquote>

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