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<blockquote data-quote="dakuth" data-source="post: 5957204" data-attributes="member: 88006">What I am, and have been, saying is this:The rules as written are a head-scratcher. They don't make a great deal of sense, exactly because they seem to imply the effects you're describing. Due to the head-scratching nature, it is very fair to say &quot;they're not clear&quot;So when a designer steps in, and clarifies the rules by saying &quot;AMF blocks LoE&quot;, then yes AMF *does block LoE*. Every example you have given are not proving *anything*. They are the EFFECTS of what *would* happen if AMF did not block LoE. Since Skip Williams has said AMF blocks LoE you need to do one of two things to refute it:1) Show a rule in the books that refutes it. No, the AMF rules do not refute it. AMF blocking LoE *does not contradict the written rules at all.*2) Show a another designer, or collaboration of designers contradicting Mr. William's statement.This is really the circle we've been running around for about 2 pages now. I say &quot;show me this&quot; you say &quot;the rules do&quot; I say &quot;no they don't&quot; and away we go again. Although I hate the cliche' it may be time to say we agree to disagree on &quot;the rules do&quot;.Yes indeedy, quantum tunnelling is a real phenomenon (or so I'm told by people in the know) but go ahead and push on a wall and wait for the quantum tunnelling to get you through. I heard it would take significantly longer than the universe has to live for you to have a reasonable chance of that occurring.When we throw things against solid barriers (or lightning bolts for that matter with... I dunno, a tesla gun/coil/thingo) we rightly predict it will not pass through. Passing through would be &quot;weird&quot; regardless of why (quantum tunnelling or antimagic fields.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dakuth, post: 5957204, member: 88006"] What I am, and have been, saying is this: The rules as written are a head-scratcher. They don't make a great deal of sense, exactly because they seem to imply the effects you're describing. Due to the head-scratching nature, it is very fair to say "they're not clear" So when a designer steps in, and clarifies the rules by saying "AMF blocks LoE", then yes AMF *does block LoE*. Every example you have given are not proving *anything*. They are the EFFECTS of what *would* happen if AMF did not block LoE. Since Skip Williams has said AMF blocks LoE you need to do one of two things to refute it: 1) Show a rule in the books that refutes it. No, the AMF rules do not refute it. AMF blocking LoE *does not contradict the written rules at all.* 2) Show a another designer, or collaboration of designers contradicting Mr. William's statement. This is really the circle we've been running around for about 2 pages now. I say "show me this" you say "the rules do" I say "no they don't" and away we go again. Although I hate the cliche' it may be time to say we agree to disagree on "the rules do". Yes indeedy, quantum tunnelling is a real phenomenon (or so I'm told by people in the know) but go ahead and push on a wall and wait for the quantum tunnelling to get you through. I heard it would take significantly longer than the universe has to live for you to have a reasonable chance of that occurring. When we throw things against solid barriers (or lightning bolts for that matter with... I dunno, a tesla gun/coil/thingo) we rightly predict it will not pass through. Passing through would be "weird" regardless of why (quantum tunnelling or antimagic fields.) [/QUOTE]

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