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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5957224" data-attributes="member: 6669384">So, because the rules say something, they're a head scratcher?  (Note, they don't "imply" anything, they come right out and say it.)That's actually where you lose me.  I've done cut-and-paste straight from the SRD several times, and you even repeated the pertinent section, all the while claiming that I haven't quoted anything.  When you finally acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, my posts weren't a digitally enhanced hallucination, that I really did take quotes straight from the SRD, you asked me if my position was an interpretation.  Never mind the fact that I had said, repeatedly, that it wasn't.So rather than slam my head into the stone wall of your intransigence, I'll simply ask (again):  Show me anywhere in the rules where it says that AMF blocks Line of Effect.  (Noting that Skip Williams' opinion is not the rules.)Read the section we've both quoted regarding areas that include an AMF, and explain to me how that can be read any other way than to say that the spell operates normally in the area outside the AMF.  Explain to me how the section in question is unclear.  What's unclear about it?  Here, I'll include it again.Please point to the part that isn't clear, that brings into question (on any level) whether a spell will function normally in any part of its area that isn't inside the AMF.  Quote the exact text please.When a designer steps in and contradicts the rules by saying "AMF blocks LOE"...Wouldn't that be a better way of phrasing that?  His expressed opinion runs contrary to what is written in the rules, doesn't it?In answer to question 1:  Please see pretty much every previous argument I have made, or take a moment and read the bloody rules!  AMF suppresses spells in its area, and only in its area.  It doesn't block or suppress them outside of its area, and there's nothing in there to even hint at a suggestion that it would.  In fact, it says very clearly that it won't.In answer to question 2:  I have cited the written works of all the authors combined (including Mr. Williams.).  They say that when an area of effect includes an AMF, the spell functions normally outside the AMF, unless the spell is centered inside the AMF.I agree.  I quote the exact rules, even tell you where to find them, and then you deny that I've quoted anything.  I've presented examples, based on those rules, to show how LOE isn't blocked, and you dismiss them specifically because they show that LOE isn't blocked.Great way to "win" an argument, I suppose.  Just presume that you're right and that anything that shows otherwise doesn't exist.You've mounted exactly zero in terms of counter arguments, other than to cite Mr. Williams over and over again.  And, as you've already admitted, Skip gets it wrong sometimes, giving opinions and examples that directly contradict the published rules.  That kind of shows that he isn't an infallible expert on the game.  To be fair, the sheer volume of the rules and the collective nature of the work would make it hard for anyone to recall the letter of every rule.  Some parts of the book contradict themselves (table v text most of the time).But if Skip Williams said, "In D&D, 2+2=5", the fact that he's an author doesn't make him a mathematician.  Quantum tunneling applies on the subatomic level, involving charged particles, not your hand against a wall.  And in fact they have caused an electron stream to tunnel a bit over 10 yards (if memory serves me correctly), and yes, they erected barriers in the "forbidden zone" to prove that the stream had bypassed that area.And it didn't take anything like a cosmic time frame for it to happen in, either. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Agreed.  It would take a special condition that said that the charged particles can't exist in their current state in the area of that solid barrier.  By the way, the AMF essentially says that the "charged particles" of the Lightning Bolt can't exist within it's area in their current (magical) state.But since physics (even delightfully weird physics like quantum effects) really have no place in a discussion of a magical fantasy game, I agree with you:  Better to stop that part now.</blockquote>

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