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<blockquote data-quote="nogray" data-source="post: 5957385" data-attributes="member: 28028"><p><strong>Mostly agreeing with Greenfield</strong></p><p></p><p>The rules for antimagic effects pretty clearly align with most of what [MENTION=6669384]Greenfield[/MENTION] is saying.</p><p></p><p>Skip's statement that, "antimagic fields block line of effect," directly conflicts with the rules for antimagic quoted from the SRD (and the corresponding text in the DMG on page 290) that states, "spell areas that include both an antimagic area and a normal area, but are not centered in the antimagic area, still function in the normal area." This is (or should be) self-evident for many configurations of various lines, bursts, emanations, and spreads that include the area of an antimagic zone of some sort.</p><p></p><p>[code]Key:</p><p>Each symbol = 5-ft-square</p><p>A = area of Antimagic</p><p>X = area of effect</p><p>O = area that, if Skip is right, line of effect is blocked</p><p>C = area where Skip's rule would block one, two, or three corners</p><p></p><p>Cone of Cold (60 ft cone-shaped burst) intersecting an Antimagic Field spell:</p><p></p><p> X X X X X X X X X X X X</p><p> X X X X A A C C C C C</p><p> X X X A A A A O O O O</p><p> X X X A A A A O O O</p><p> X X X C A A O O O O</p><p> X X X C C O O O O</p><p> X X X X C C O O O</p><p> X X X X X C C O</p><p> X X X X X C C</p><p> X X X X X</p><p> X X X</p><p> X[/code]</p><p></p><p>Statements I hope we can all agree on:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The X, A, C, and O squares, above, are all "in the normal area" for a properly oriented Cone of Cold.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The spell as cast includes, "both an antimagic area and a normal area."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The X, O, and C squares are <em>not</em> in the antimagic area.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The Cone of Cold is <em>not</em> "centered in the antimagic area."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The X squares are definitely affected by the cone of cold.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The A squares suppress the cone of cold, so they aren't affected.</li> </ol><p>Looking at the statements above and the rule quoted from the SRD and DMG, I can only conclude that the C and O squares are also affected normally by the Cone of Cold. Here is the breakdown:</p><p></p><p>"Spell areas that include both an antimagic area (the A squares) and a normal area (the X, O, and C squares), but are not centered in the antimagic area (ours is in the top left corner of the top left X, so we are clear), still function in the normal area (those X, O, and C squares)."</p><p></p><p>If Skip were correct, then that sentence can not be followed. The O and C squares would be blocked (or in the case of the C squares, some level of cover would apply), and the spell would not "still function in the normal area."</p><p></p><p>Where I disagree with Greenfield is that "tunneling" is possible. The way I see it, any object solid enough to normally block the line of effect for the attack (or other) spell would also block the line of effect for the antimagic field's emanation. That means (to me) that the other spell would come back into effect and try to damage (or otherwise interact with) the object as normal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nogray, post: 5957385, member: 28028"] [b]Mostly agreeing with Greenfield[/b] The rules for antimagic effects pretty clearly align with most of what [MENTION=6669384]Greenfield[/MENTION] is saying. Skip's statement that, "antimagic fields block line of effect," directly conflicts with the rules for antimagic quoted from the SRD (and the corresponding text in the DMG on page 290) that states, "spell areas that include both an antimagic area and a normal area, but are not centered in the antimagic area, still function in the normal area." This is (or should be) self-evident for many configurations of various lines, bursts, emanations, and spreads that include the area of an antimagic zone of some sort. [code]Key: Each symbol = 5-ft-square A = area of Antimagic X = area of effect O = area that, if Skip is right, line of effect is blocked C = area where Skip's rule would block one, two, or three corners Cone of Cold (60 ft cone-shaped burst) intersecting an Antimagic Field spell: X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X A A C C C C C X X X A A A A O O O O X X X A A A A O O O X X X C A A O O O O X X X C C O O O O X X X X C C O O O X X X X X C C O X X X X X C C X X X X X X X X X[/code] Statements I hope we can all agree on: [LIST=1] [*]The X, A, C, and O squares, above, are all "in the normal area" for a properly oriented Cone of Cold. [*]The spell as cast includes, "both an antimagic area and a normal area." [*]The X, O, and C squares are [i]not[/i] in the antimagic area. [*]The Cone of Cold is [i]not[/i] "centered in the antimagic area." [*]The X squares are definitely affected by the cone of cold. [*]The A squares suppress the cone of cold, so they aren't affected. [/LIST] Looking at the statements above and the rule quoted from the SRD and DMG, I can only conclude that the C and O squares are also affected normally by the Cone of Cold. Here is the breakdown: "Spell areas that include both an antimagic area (the A squares) and a normal area (the X, O, and C squares), but are not centered in the antimagic area (ours is in the top left corner of the top left X, so we are clear), still function in the normal area (those X, O, and C squares)." If Skip were correct, then that sentence can not be followed. The O and C squares would be blocked (or in the case of the C squares, some level of cover would apply), and the spell would not "still function in the normal area." Where I disagree with Greenfield is that "tunneling" is possible. The way I see it, any object solid enough to normally block the line of effect for the attack (or other) spell would also block the line of effect for the antimagic field's emanation. That means (to me) that the other spell would come back into effect and try to damage (or otherwise interact with) the object as normal. [/QUOTE]
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