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Casting Tasha's Mind Whip on enemy who is under Crown of Madness
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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8690602" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Thanks, COM also says <em>"The charmed target <u>must use its action</u> before movin<u>g</u> " </em>So one spell says he can choose to use an action, move or bonus and another says he must use an action, so I could argue can't choose something else. I will ask my DM since I think this is up to interpretation.</p><p></p><p>The character I am doing this with is an Order Cleric-Enchantment Wizard multiclass. He can cast 5 enchantments a day as a bonus action and both Crown of Madness and TMW are enchantments,. He can also quicken another spell (any spell) once a day because he also has the metamagic adept feat. It would not be two castings in one turn, because the spells would be cast on separate turns. I know I can't cast the spells on the same turn, I would use the action to make an enemy attack the same turn as the TMW spell.</p><p></p><p>As far as action economy, the way I would do this is cast COM as a Bonus action turn 1 and use my action to ready action to use hypnotic Gaze if he tries to move away. So he would do the COM attack the first turn IAW the spell and if he tried to move after it he would immediately save or have a speed dropped to 0. Then on my turn I would use my action command him to attack again (which would break hypnotic gaze) and cast TMW as a bonus action.</p><p></p><p>I can cast both the spells as bonus actions, the problem is "commanding the attack" after the first round is not a spell and needs to be an action. Hypnotic Gaze also needs to be an action because it too is not a spell. I could do it differently using hypnotic gaze on my turn along with COM, since COM does not damage him, they would not interfere with each other until the next turn. But I would lose his first attack if I did this, because he would be incapacitated from Hypnotic Gaze.</p><p></p><p>turn 1: cast COM as a BA, ready HG</p><p>BBEG turn: COM attack, use HG if he tries to leave</p><p>turn 2: direct BBEG to attack as action, TMW as bonus action</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8690602, member: 7030563"] Thanks, COM also says [I]"The charmed target [U]must use its action[/U] before movin[U]g[/U] " [/I]So one spell says he can choose to use an action, move or bonus and another says he must use an action, so I could argue can't choose something else. I will ask my DM since I think this is up to interpretation. The character I am doing this with is an Order Cleric-Enchantment Wizard multiclass. He can cast 5 enchantments a day as a bonus action and both Crown of Madness and TMW are enchantments,. He can also quicken another spell (any spell) once a day because he also has the metamagic adept feat. It would not be two castings in one turn, because the spells would be cast on separate turns. I know I can't cast the spells on the same turn, I would use the action to make an enemy attack the same turn as the TMW spell. As far as action economy, the way I would do this is cast COM as a Bonus action turn 1 and use my action to ready action to use hypnotic Gaze if he tries to move away. So he would do the COM attack the first turn IAW the spell and if he tried to move after it he would immediately save or have a speed dropped to 0. Then on my turn I would use my action command him to attack again (which would break hypnotic gaze) and cast TMW as a bonus action. I can cast both the spells as bonus actions, the problem is "commanding the attack" after the first round is not a spell and needs to be an action. Hypnotic Gaze also needs to be an action because it too is not a spell. I could do it differently using hypnotic gaze on my turn along with COM, since COM does not damage him, they would not interfere with each other until the next turn. But I would lose his first attack if I did this, because he would be incapacitated from Hypnotic Gaze. turn 1: cast COM as a BA, ready HG BBEG turn: COM attack, use HG if he tries to leave turn 2: direct BBEG to attack as action, TMW as bonus action [/QUOTE]
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