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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GravyFingerz" data-source="post: 1715148" data-attributes="member: 77">The player's would keep track of their saving throw DCs. At least, that's how I imagine it would be.Let's take example of said party and lets make a Fighter, Cleric, Wizard, and Rogue. The Rogue and Fighter have Dex as a prime attribute. The Cleric and Wizard do not. Now, how I would handle it (and it seems to be the logical way) is the Castle Keeper says:"Ok, the evil wizard throws a fireball in your midst. Everyone make a Dex save with a +5 mod."Let's say the whole party is 4th level. The Fighter and Cleric have 13 Dex, the Wizard has 10, and the Rogue has 16. Since the Fighter and Rogue has Dex as their prime, their DC is 17. But the Wizard and Cleric, alas, do not, and their DC is 23.The Fighter and Cleric have a +5 to their saving throw (4 for level + 1 for dex), the Rogue has a +6 (+2 for dex), and the Wizard has a +4. The dice are cast, and the Fighter rolls - a 2!!! Oh man he stunk it, he got a 7 total - failure.The Cleric rolled a 16 ... even with his +5 mod, that is still a failure, with a total of 21.The Rogue, the luckiest of the bunch, rolled a natural 20 for a total of 26. Since he only needed to beat a 17, he feels like he wasted a 20.Finally, the poor Wizard rolls a 14 for a total of 18. Sadly, he would have needed a 19 or 20 to beat it (and he curses the Rogue for his luck).I hope this colorful example shows how 12/18 can be simple.EDIT: Normally I don't think the DC would be that harsh. I just pulled a number out of thin air for the purposes of the example. But look how much of a rat bastard I am, only one of my imaginary players made their save.</blockquote>

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