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Castles are worthless against armies with mages?
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<blockquote data-quote="Whizbang Dustyboots" data-source="post: 5532284" data-attributes="member: 11760"><p>I don't know, if my goal was to overrun a kingdom, and not to engage in some sort of spectacular set-piece of "let's wtfpwn this castle," I'd say getting the barbarian/orc/hobgoblin horde to sweep across the kingdom and raze it to the ground would be a lot more practical than spending the same amount of resources to fight it out with the wizards of the enemy over one small area.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, no, they presumably would do the same thing -- since screwing around with aerial magic shows over the castle is about the least productive way to use magical geniuses, which at least one of them would eventually point out.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, we're not engaged in any sort of battle here.</p><p></p><p>I just think the notion of staging some sort of superhero battle with wizards is unlikely. The Mage: The Awakening style of wizards, liches and the like acting with a great deal of advance planning, surgical strikes and with a ridiculous escalation of counter-measures and counter-counter-measures is a lot more likely. If I've learned how to even do something as relatively simple as fling a fireball, I'm going to know that being the target of such a thing is something I want to avoid at all costs. Anyone who tells me "hey, take this boulder, shrink it, cast Protection from Normal Missles, Fly and Invisibility and go drop it on a bunch of idiots in a castle" is getting turned into a frog.</p><p></p><p></p><p>A single NPC adventuring group doesn't require wizards willing to do the equivalent of the sort of adventures PCs go on all the time to be anything more than uncommon. A battalion of flying invisible boulder-droppers is a lot more wizard-intensive.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It is for an army, since that 4,000 gold piece for each ring could buy a whole lot of foot soldiers. Heck, that'd probably be enough to get a whole tribe of Easterlings/neanderthals/gnolls or whatever tearing up the countryside. Because, remember, you'd need one of those rings for each of your wizards and the wizards would cost more besides.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's still a very showy and not terribly productive way to wage magical war. You can get a lot more bang for your gold piece in countless other ways.</p><p></p><p>Will there be nations that wage war in such a way? Sure. They'll be the ones that have all those ruins scattered all over the place and who were conquered by the winners who played smarter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Whizbang Dustyboots, post: 5532284, member: 11760"] I don't know, if my goal was to overrun a kingdom, and not to engage in some sort of spectacular set-piece of "let's wtfpwn this castle," I'd say getting the barbarian/orc/hobgoblin horde to sweep across the kingdom and raze it to the ground would be a lot more practical than spending the same amount of resources to fight it out with the wizards of the enemy over one small area. Uh, no, they presumably would do the same thing -- since screwing around with aerial magic shows over the castle is about the least productive way to use magical geniuses, which at least one of them would eventually point out. Uh, we're not engaged in any sort of battle here. I just think the notion of staging some sort of superhero battle with wizards is unlikely. The Mage: The Awakening style of wizards, liches and the like acting with a great deal of advance planning, surgical strikes and with a ridiculous escalation of counter-measures and counter-counter-measures is a lot more likely. If I've learned how to even do something as relatively simple as fling a fireball, I'm going to know that being the target of such a thing is something I want to avoid at all costs. Anyone who tells me "hey, take this boulder, shrink it, cast Protection from Normal Missles, Fly and Invisibility and go drop it on a bunch of idiots in a castle" is getting turned into a frog. A single NPC adventuring group doesn't require wizards willing to do the equivalent of the sort of adventures PCs go on all the time to be anything more than uncommon. A battalion of flying invisible boulder-droppers is a lot more wizard-intensive. It is for an army, since that 4,000 gold piece for each ring could buy a whole lot of foot soldiers. Heck, that'd probably be enough to get a whole tribe of Easterlings/neanderthals/gnolls or whatever tearing up the countryside. Because, remember, you'd need one of those rings for each of your wizards and the wizards would cost more besides. It's still a very showy and not terribly productive way to wage magical war. You can get a lot more bang for your gold piece in countless other ways. Will there be nations that wage war in such a way? Sure. They'll be the ones that have all those ruins scattered all over the place and who were conquered by the winners who played smarter. [/QUOTE]
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