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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 1817855" data-attributes="member: 957">I've yet to meet a person who was objectively capable of roleplaying the distinction between a 10 CHR fighter and a 20 CHR high level bard.I've met PLENTY who claim to.But the fighter always manages to be just charming or intimidating or clever enough to talk his way past the guard......An objective system for establishing that one character is better than another at social interaction can only be obtained through the rules.Now there is no claim here that there is anything wrong with wanting an objective combat system on the one had and a subjective social system one the other.  It is all about having fun.But this common more-roleplayer-than-thou idea that subjective socials is somehow automatically better than an objective system is silly.  Even worse, the all to common delusion that role-playing socials is actually an objective method.There is no such thing as a epic skilled diplomat bard getting the better of an ancient dragon in an exchange.  But that won't stop you from role-playing it.  However, I find it works very well to actually keep the "game" in my roleplaying game.  And the only way to fairly resolve a fantastic scenario such as that within a game is through the rules.In a fair game about being something you are not it is very easy for me to differentiate what should be handled under the rules.  And overcoming major obstacles through social interaction is without question one of those things.If you just RP it and had fun, then that is all that matters.  But if you just RP your way past the dragon, then in the end all that really happened is the DM let you.</blockquote>

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