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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pheonix0114" data-source="post: 5818514" data-attributes="member: 6667542">I originally envisioned #1 because a player looked at the rogue BtH and didn't want to play a class that wasn't really useful in combat, even with a ranged weapon. It wasn't a bookkeeping thing so much as an attempt to allow everyone to keep the same feel of "Hey I'm pretty good in combat, maybe not as good as THAT guy, but I'm not scrubbing it up." #2 Was just for simplicity, though I have tracked the XP they have earned so far.#3 Was from a player that felt he couldn't be good at his imagined idea of a ranger unless he was human because he wanted to be a hunter that primarily used a bow and was good at wood lore. And he hates being a human in fantasy games. And finally #4 came about because, and I might be wrong about this, I thought you only added level to your rolls when it was specifically a class ability. Our Ranger, who is a half-elf, has a 14 Cha and the racial +2 to Cha checks and he failed 3 of the 4 cha checks he tried to make that night to influence NPCs. I quickly realized that unless I artificially deflated the challenge level every time he needed to roll at least a 15 to succeed which felt wrong when he had a +3 bonus to the roll, equivalent to an attribute of 18-19 in C&C.</blockquote>