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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 650974" data-attributes="member: 151">They're epic in scope, within the realm of being relatively balanced.&nbsp; You want deific battles, that's great....but the ELH doesn't provide for that.&nbsp; As Andy Collins pointed out, &quot;just because you rolled over the counter to 21, doesn't mean you should start crank-calling Loki.&quot;&nbsp; Meteor Swarm is good, but we were, in some ways, slightly underwhelmed by it's potency, when I actually saw it in use in-game.Quite honestly, how many times does someone cast a spell that kills 800,000 sentient beings at ONE TIME?&nbsp; In Greyhawk, for example, the sum collective of spellcasters from two whole empires did this, with divine aid and ancient artifacts...and they each cast it once (because there was no one left alive to cast a second time).&nbsp; If someone who has that power isn't a demi-god or full fledged diety....well, then, what the heck can THEY do?&nbsp; And if they are more powerful...why don't they trump said uber-beings?&nbsp; I know _I_ wouldn't want you butchering 800,000 of my followers.&quot;Hellball&quot; isn't as cost efficient as it could, that's true.&nbsp; But it does deliver a wide-spectrum of damage types at once, allowing a caster to hit multiple targets and possibly damage all of them, regardless of their defenses.&nbsp; It's power and utility are probably very situationally and campaign specific...but I don't think I'd label it as 'stupid'.&nbsp; YMMV.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 650974, member: 151"] They're epic in scope, within the realm of being relatively balanced. You want deific battles, that's great....but the ELH doesn't provide for that. As Andy Collins pointed out, "just because you rolled over the counter to 21, doesn't mean you should start crank-calling Loki." Meteor Swarm is good, but we were, in some ways, slightly underwhelmed by it's potency, when I actually saw it in use in-game. Quite honestly, how many times does someone cast a spell that kills 800,000 sentient beings at ONE TIME? In Greyhawk, for example, the sum collective of spellcasters from two whole empires did this, with divine aid and ancient artifacts...and they each cast it once (because there was no one left alive to cast a second time). If someone who has that power isn't a demi-god or full fledged diety....well, then, what the heck can THEY do? And if they are more powerful...why don't they trump said uber-beings? I know _I_ wouldn't want you butchering 800,000 of my followers. "Hellball" isn't as cost efficient as it could, that's true. But it does deliver a wide-spectrum of damage types at once, allowing a caster to hit multiple targets and possibly damage all of them, regardless of their defenses. It's power and utility are probably very situationally and campaign specific...but I don't think I'd label it as 'stupid'. YMMV. [/QUOTE]

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