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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8891199" data-attributes="member: 6696971">The &quot;casual players&quot; (and adjacent - family members that sometimes play in a one shot of something if I go to their place and run it) that I know are &quot;causal D&amp;D players&quot; but not full-fledged &quot;casual players&quot; per se (because they probably play more games than a lot of folks who comment prolifically on ENWorld due to how often I run games at our social get-togethers).&nbsp; They're &quot;casual D&amp;D players&quot; because they got into the game via 4e D&amp;D and fled the D&amp;D gaming scene when (a) 5e replaced it or (b) their lives changed sufficiently that they couldn't try to run 4e games themselves (eg kids or change of address and the like) or (c) I wasn't running an active 4e D&amp;D game for them to play in.&nbsp; But their overall signature in TTRPG-spaces is pretty low on the whole (to non-existent).So now, they only play varying indie games (either 1-shots or like 6-8 session games) when we make a commitment for me to run those games for them in meatspace.&nbsp; I'd say that constitutes &quot;casual players&quot; generally and &quot;casual D&amp;D players&quot; especially.I know about 30 of those folks in total (including a few adjacent family members who would also qualify).&nbsp; Every one of them is aware of the situation.&nbsp; With more than a little irony..they're paying far more attention to the situation than I am (someone who runs a pretty ridiculous number of weekly TTRPG games and who has been in the culture for quite a long time).&nbsp; We've got multiple venues of chat (plenty overlapping) and the stupid notifications don't stop.&nbsp; I think for this cohort in particular, their primary curiosity about the whole thing is because of how much grief they received from obnoxious agitators about their 4e love affair in various areas of meatspace (nerd venues overwhelmingly, but even some common spaces) and Facebook etc.&nbsp; Seeing D&amp;D self-immolate is an interesting cultural touchstone for their lives.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8891199, member: 6696971"] The "casual players" (and adjacent - family members that sometimes play in a one shot of something if I go to their place and run it) that I know are "causal D&D players" but not full-fledged "casual players" per se (because they probably play more games than a lot of folks who comment prolifically on ENWorld due to how often I run games at our social get-togethers). They're "casual D&D players" because they got into the game via 4e D&D and fled the D&D gaming scene when (a) 5e replaced it or (b) their lives changed sufficiently that they couldn't try to run 4e games themselves (eg kids or change of address and the like) or (c) I wasn't running an active 4e D&D game for them to play in. But their overall signature in TTRPG-spaces is pretty low on the whole (to non-existent). So now, they only play varying indie games (either 1-shots or like 6-8 session games) when we make a commitment for me to run those games for them in meatspace. I'd say that constitutes "casual players" generally and "casual D&D players" especially. I know about 30 of those folks in total (including a few adjacent family members who would also qualify). Every one of them is aware of the situation. With more than a little irony..they're paying far more attention to the situation than I am (someone who runs a pretty ridiculous number of weekly TTRPG games and who has been in the culture for quite a long time). We've got multiple venues of chat (plenty overlapping) and the stupid notifications don't stop. I think for this cohort in particular, their primary curiosity about the whole thing is because of how much grief they received from obnoxious agitators about their 4e love affair in various areas of meatspace (nerd venues overwhelmingly, but even some common spaces) and Facebook etc. Seeing D&D self-immolate is an interesting cultural touchstone for their lives. [/QUOTE]

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